Hey Kyman, before you do anything else, I've got an improved route from MrRobertZ's. It's based on the times on www.sm64.com . Most TAS tricks are used in these runs, they are insane anyways here's the list of stars in order of time. JRB, BBH VCUtM and COtMC are skipped:
In The Deep Freeze
Shining Atop The Pyramid
Blast Away The Wall
Get A Hand
Snowman's Land Snowman's Big Head
Mysterious Mountainside
Shoot Into The Wild Blue
Tick Tock Clock Roll Into The Cage
Wall Kicks Will Work
Blast To The Lonely Mushroom
A-Maze-ing Emergency Exit
Red-Hot Log Rolling
Wet-Dry World Shocking Arrow Lifts!
Chill With The Bully
Fall Onto The Caged Island
Swingin' In The Breeze
Tricky Triangles!
Behind Chain Chomp's Gate
The Pit And The Pendulums
Whirl From The Freezing Pond
The Manta Ray's Reward
Stop Time For Red Coins
8-Coin Puzzle With 15 Pieces
To The Top Of The Fortress
Top O' The Town
Watch For Rolling Rocks
Breathtaking View From Bridge
Hazy Maze Cave Swimming Beast In The Cavern
Shifting Sand Land In The Talons Of The Big Bird
Timed Jumps On Moving Bars
Li'l Penguin Lost
Lethal Lava Land Boil The Big Bully
Tall, Tall Mountain Scale The Mountain
Castle Secret Stars Tower Of The Wing Cap
Rainbow Ride Cruiser Crossing The Rainbow
The Princess's Secret Slide Under 21"0
Shoot To The Island In The Sky
Five Itty Bitty Secrets
Elevator Tour In The Volcano
Cavern Of The Metal Cap
The Tip Top Of The Huge Island
Express Elevator--Hurry Up!
Hot-Foot-It Into The Volcano
Tiny-Huge Island Pluck The Piranha Flower
Coins Amassed In A Maze
Bowser In The Dark World
Bully The Bullies
The Princess's Secret Slide
Metal-Head Mario Can Move!
Cool, Cool Mountain Slip Slidin' Away
Scary 'Shrooms, Red Coins
Stomp On The Thwomp
Navigating The Toxic Maze
Inside The Ancient Pyramid
Whomp's Fortress Chip Off Whomp's Block
Wiggler's Red Coins
Chests In The Current
Mario Wings To The Sky
Somewhere Over The Rainbow
Shell Shreddin' For Red Coins
Bowser In The Fire Sea
Cool, Cool Mountain 100 Coins and Big penguin race
Whomp's Fortress 100 Coins and red coins on the floating isle
Dire, Dire Docks Board Bowser's Sub
Toad
Toad
Toad
MIPS
JRB and BBH were going to be skipped anyways and most of those stars i'm doing..
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it's mainly the same, just a few differences. I also assumed that getting a 100 coin star save 8 seconds in cutscenes. also, these are based on unnasisted times, but are mostly applicable.
The list seems good, but I have one improvement in mind. sm64.com's Navigating the Toxic Maze record is done using a BLJ, which saves quite a bit of time. Since this is a BLJ-less run, I think it would be faster to do Shell Shreddin' for Red Coins instead.
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Here is the final route:
star# name
1 Bomb-omb battlefield: Behind Chain Chomp's Gate (cannon-less)
2 Shoot To The Island In The Sky
3 Whomp's Fortress: Chip Off Whomp's Block
4 Blast Away The Wall
5 Shoot Into The Wild Blue
6 Fall Onto The Caged Island
7 To The Top Of The Fortress
8 Whomp's Fortress 100 Coins with:
9 Red Coins On The Floating Isle
10 The Princess's Secret Slide
11 Tower Of The Wing Cap
12 Cool, Cool Mountain: Slip Slidin' Away
13 Cool, Cool Mountain 100 Coins with:
14 Big penguin race
15 Li'l Penguin Lost
16 Wall Kicks Will Work
17 Snowman's lost his head
18 Bowser In The Dark World
19 The Princess's Secret Slide Under 21"0
20 MIPS
21 Shifting Sand Land: In The Talons Of The Big Bird
22 Shining Atop The Pyramid
23 Inside The Ancient Pyramid
24 Lethal Lava Land: Boil The Big Bully
25 Hot-Foot-It Into The Volcano
26 Bully The Bullies
27 Elevator Tour In The Volcano
28 8-Coin Puzzle With 15 Pieces
29 Red-Hot Log Rolling
30 Hazy Maze Cave: Swimming Beast In The Cavern
31 A-Maze-ing Emergency Exit
32 Metal-Head Mario Can Move!
33 Navigating The Toxic Maze
34 Watch For Rolling Rocks
35 Toad 1
36 Dire, Dire Docks: Chests in the current
37 Board bowser's sub
38 Bowser In The Fire Sea
39 The Manta Ray's Reward
40 Wet-Dry World: Shocking Arrow Lifts!
41 Express Elevator--Hurry Up!
42 Top O' The Town
43 Secrets in the shallows and sky
44 Tiny-Huge Island Pluck The Piranha Flower
45 Five Itty Bitty Secrets
46 The Tip Top Of The Huge Island
47 Wiggler's Red Coins
48 Tall, Tall Mountain: Scale The Mountain
49 Mysterious Mountainside
50 Breathtaking View From Bridge
51 Blast To The Lonely Mushroom
52 Scary 'Shrooms, Red Coins
53 Toad 2
54 Snowman's Land: Snowman's Big Head
55 Shell Shreddin' For Red Coins
56 In The Deep Freeze
57 Chill With The Bully
58 Whirl From The Freezing Pond
59 Tick Tock Clock: Roll Into The Cage
60 Timed Jumps On Moving Bars
61 The Pit And The Pendulums
62 Tick Tock clock 100 coins with:
63 Stomp On The Thwomp
64 Stop Time For Red Coins
65 Get A Hand
66 Toad 3
67 Rainbow ride: Coins Amassed In A Maze
68 Cruiser Crossing The Rainbow
69 Tricky Triangles!
70 Swingin' In The Breeze
To Johannes:
I did heed your advice, but am not going to act on it for two reasons:
1. Even though the navigating the toxic maze star is accomplished through a BLJ, I still think it does not save a whole 9 seconds. leaving it under the 36 second cutoff.
2. Shell shreddin' for red coins was already on the list
EDIT: changed somewhere over the rainbow to secrets in the shallows and sky
Isn't that a tad presumptuous? Just saying.
Anyway, yeah, I came up with that old route about...a year and a half ago, so it's good that you've updated it with the latest times before Kyman got too far.
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To Kyman. of course, I'm such an idiot, but the star can still be completed in 33 seconds without the cannon or blj. (or less if you spend more than 50 rerecords on a single star. I did a test to find approximately how fast it is w/o the cannon)
to Mr RobertZ, you're absolutely right as well. The longest star is somewhere over the rainbow in this list (33+~8 seconds for opening the cannon) so I'll swap it for either DDD: through the jet stream or WDW: secrets of the shallows and sky, which are both 38 seconds. DDD through the jet stream is slightly faster, but a lot more boring.
Yeh, so it's not finished/final.
To Kyman. of course, I'm such an idiot, but the star can still be completed in 33 seconds without the cannon or blj. (or less if you spend more than 50 rerecords on a single star. I did a test to find approximately how fast it is w/o the cannon)
to Mr RobertZ, you're absolutely right as well. The longest star is somewhere over the rainbow in this list (33+~8 seconds for opening the cannon) so I'll swap it for either DDD: through the jet stream or WDW: secrets of the shallows and sky, which are both 38 seconds. DDD through the jet stream is slightly faster, but a lot more boring.
Yeh, so it's not finished/final.
Somewhere over the rainbow would be more than 41 because the pink bob-omb is so far out of the way, and shallows and sky has been done in I think 32 seconds TASed.
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you talk to the pink bomb omb while doing the coins ammased in a maze star
here are the differences between my route and Mr Robert Z's
My route
time star
14 The Manta Ray's Reward
16 Breathtaking View From Bridge
MrRobertZ's route
time star
47 Big Bobomb on the Summit
41 Frosty Slide for 8 Red Coins
you talk to the pink bomb omb while doing the coins ammased in a maze star
here are the differences between my route and Mr Robert Z's
My route
time star
14 The Manta Ray's Reward
16 Breathtaking View From Bridge
MrRobertZ's route
time star
47 Big Bobomb on the Summit
41 Frosty Slide for 8 Red Coins
Actually one of the reasons I kind of stopped doing the run myself was because I realized myself that the Bobomb star was slower...due to my inexperience/stupidity at the time, taking that out meant redoing the Chomp star, which was based on bobomb positioning luck, which tied into the penguin star in CCM which I'd already done, which also depended on luck...etc.
To summarize, I figured the bobomb star was slower myself, and due to (mostly) laziness, it led me to stop doing the run.
So can we take out opening the cannon in Rainbow ride therefore removing Somewhere over the rainbow and replace it with Shallows and sky? It'll will be a lot faster.
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Yeah, I edited the post above with the route in it to replace over the rainbow with secrets in the shallows and sky. Personally, I think that you'll be able to improve the swimming stars less than those that are completed on land. so I'd do the secrets star rather than through the jet stream. But then again, it's not my run so do whatever you like.
Hmm, I think Johannes is starting to hate me. Well, sorry. I didn't mean whatever I said.
Not at all. Sorry for somehow giving you that impression.
Are we sure it's faster to skip BBH? It has 3 stars whose unassisted records are 11, 27 and 28 seconds, and they could obviously go lower with tool-assistance.
Not at all. Sorry for somehow giving you that impression.
Are we sure it's faster to skip BBH? It has 3 stars whose unassisted records are 11, 27 and 28 seconds, and they could obviously go lower with tool-assistance.
Keep in mind how it takes like 7 seconds to re enter the level as it is so far away. But idk.
Not at all. Sorry for somehow giving you that impression.
Are we sure it's faster to skip BBH? It has 3 stars whose unassisted records are 11, 27 and 28 seconds, and they could obviously go lower with tool-assistance.
Keep in mind how it takes like 7 seconds to re enter the level as it is so far away. But idk.
Well, the time saved by replacing the three slowest stars with the three BBH ones adds up to 30+ seconds.
Not at all. Sorry for somehow giving you that impression.
Are we sure it's faster to skip BBH? It has 3 stars whose unassisted records are 11, 27 and 28 seconds, and they could obviously go lower with tool-assistance.
Keep in mind how it takes like 7 seconds to re enter the level as it is so far away. But idk.
Well, the time saved by replacing the three slowest stars with the three BBH ones adds up to 30+ seconds.
That's true, so I guess we're not skipping BBH and taking out the three slowest stars. What stars would those be?
Just don't forget not only how long it takes to get in and out of the level each time, but also how long it takes to get into the courtyard from the Lobby, and then from the courtyard to the basement door.
I haven't calculated it or anything, but just keep it in mind.
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Kyman wrote:
Johannes wrote:
Kyman wrote:
Johannes wrote:
andymac wrote:
Hmm, I think Johannes is starting to hate me.
Not at all. Sorry for somehow giving you that impression.
Are we sure it's faster to skip BBH? It has 3 stars whose unassisted records are 11, 27 and 28 seconds, and they could obviously go lower with tool-assistance.
Keep in mind how it takes like 7 seconds to re enter the level as it is so far away. But idk.
Well, the time saved by replacing the three slowest stars with the three BBH ones adds up to 30+ seconds.
That's true, so I guess we're not skipping BBH and taking out the three slowest stars. What stars would those be?
@Johannes: glad there's no hard feelings
@Kyman+Johannes: correction: two fastest stars. You can't do eye to eye in the secret room without the vanish cap, which has been skipped, unless you plan to change that as well. The two slowest stars are snowman's lost his head and secrets in the shallows and sky. also what Mr_RobertZ said.
Well considering the 7 seconds from re entering level would be taken away from 30 twice so - 14 so we'd have 16 seconds from first time going there to going back to castle which would be like 2 seconds saved but I think we should actually test this before guessing.
Also consider the fact that you have to actually open the courtyard door too, which takes tons of time.
Or you could just test it, like you said. That could work too.
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You should still be able to do a large number of stars before having to worry about this. If you do find out which is quicker, please tell me, because I'm going to do a 70 star run for SDA.
