This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4590: Randil, MESHUGGAH's NES Rush'n Attack in 09:35.64

A fair note, the TAS aims for shortest input time and doesn't tries to reduce the lag frames at the end of the final level (the sprite spam for the destroyed rocket), so the credits only starts 13 frames faster. Those lag frames appear ~10 seconds after last input.

Did you upload the wrong movie file? I only find the 1p's input.

You are right. Forgot to export P2. Please replace with User movie #20907392021731500 (feel free to rename the file)

Otacon was right -- truly, love can bloom on the battlefield.

This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [2800] NES Rush'n Attack "2 players" by Randil, MESHUGGAH in 09:35.64

You didn't try the idea that I suggested five years ago to avoid climbing the ladder on the last level? http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=237992

Even the fact that I can go game over is new to me. I will check it out. I only tried to minimalize the position sacrifices in the levels (as I stated in the submission text). edit: I know that if someone dies, the camera doesn't rolls forward. So you mean you somehow do game over fast enough to while keep it rolling by the time Red finishes climbing the ladder? edit2: ahaaa, so getting game over doesn't stops the camera. Yes, that would save 12 + blue sacrifices frames (my raw guess is ~50 frames total).

MESHUGGAH: See? People can miss things.

MESHUGGAH: See? People can miss things.

It took me nearly a day to realize this couldn't be more ironic. (judging you for something that's not even part of your role: fallin in to this mistake myself here by not looking for the informations (Arc's 2010 improvement post) of this game's thread; not taking this submission as seriously as I did with other TASes) I'm planning to make another stab on this game from the beginning probably soon. This will be a good reason for me to finally stop doing level 1 WIPs and also for finally making a newbie HUD template (which will probably use this game as an example). edit: like this. Unfortunately still requires some LUA scripting and programming knowledge but with some tweaking you should be able to use it.

Language: lua
--[[ MESHUGGAH's HUD Template

This template features an example to NES Rush'n Attack

v	contains RAM addresses of position values (hexadecimal)
p	positon values stored here after reading memory from location v (memory.readbyte)
pp	previous position values stored here to compare with new positions on next frame

--]]

-- Variable array: P1 X, P1 Y, P2 X, P2 Y, Camera X
local v = {
0x503,
0x505,
0x523,
0x525,
0x31
}

-- data structure for rush'n attack, 32 bytes per object
-- question mark notes boolean
-- 0x500 alive?, state, 02, X, subX, Y, subY, 08, 09, 0A, 0B, 0C, 0D, palette, sprite
-- 0x510 in jump?, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 0A, 0B, 0C, 0D, 0E, sprite timer

-- Position array
local p = {} for i = 1, table.getn(v) do p[i] = 0 end

-- Previous position array
local pp = {} for k,v in pairs(p) do pp[k] = v end

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

local function objects()

	-- display ID if alive
	for i = 0, 15 do
		if memory.readbyte(0x500+i*32) ~= 0 then
			gui.text(memory.readbyte(v[1]+i*32),memory.readbyte(v[2]+i*32)+40,i,"#FFFFFFFF","#FF000080")
		end
	end
	
	--gui.text(1,9,
end

local function hud()
	-- Display object's ID and a simple box around them (not actual hitbox positions)
	objects()

	-- Read new positions
	for i = 1, table.getn(v) do p[i] = memory.readbyte(v[i]) end
	
	-- Anything else you would like to display?
	gui.text(1,1,string.format("CamX %3d (%d)",p[5],pp[5]-p[5]),"#FFFFFFFF","#00000080")
	
	-- Display positions for players
	gui.text(p[1],p[2]+48,string.format("X %3d (%d)\nY %d (%d)",p[1],pp[1]-p[1],p[2],pp[2]-p[2]),"#FFFFFFFF","#00000080")
	gui.text(p[3],p[4]+48,string.format("X %3d (%d)\nY %d (%d)",p[3],pp[3]-p[3],p[4],pp[4]-p[4]),"#FFFFFFFF","#00000080")
	
	-- Store positions to compare them in next frame
	for k,v in pairs(p) do pp[k] = v end
end

emu.registerafter(hud)

I currently hold the real-time speedrun for this. I'm going to examine this a bit more as well. I'll let you know if I find anything. :) EDIT: Why was this downgraded to the vault? :(

I made a video for the idea that I described. Avoid climbing the mined ladder on level 6: Link to video