One thing I always wondered but figured was wrong, was can you walljump repeatedly up to the warp in the first castle, avoiding having to get any mushrooms/leafs at all until the auto scrollers? Its probably slower or impossible, but just thought i'd mention it.
Never thought of that. Can you repeatitively walljump off the same wall? I wouldn't think so.
While on that subject, could you possibly slide through that wall to save any time?
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Hmm, actually, why not? I thought the only real prerequisite for a walljump was "landing" at a tile boundary, which shouldn't be a problem to arrange after a successful walljump.
Also, Andrew, you might want to link your runs like this, so that they won't make your signature that long:
From the mario tricks: To perform a walljump, you need two things:
* Some horizontal speed (towards the wall)
* Mario's feet must hit the wall exactly at a block boundary (every 16 pixels)
I don't see why you can't continually walljump, its just a matter of is it actually slower?
Edit: actually, I know you can jump up there, but I don't think you can make it high enough to a tile boundary. I'm just going on memory here, and I don't feel like checking right this instant whether you can do it or not.
I've checked myself and it certainly too high to make a ideal connection with the tile boundary.
EDIT: I did some testing on the first level and I managed to get the weird running effect seen in Level 2 of Nitsuja's WIP, although sadly Mario lost a huge amount of momentum activating the trick, so it ended up being slower, it does make me think though could activating the effect at the start of level 1 save time.
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/5540/Super%20Mario%20Bros.%203%20%28U%29%20%28PRG1%29%20%5B%21%5D%20Genisto.fcm
If a one frame improvement can't be found, I have a different route through the level which is 3 frames slower, but would at least mean you don't have to sacrifice time at the end and would prevent viewers from thinking that they've witnessed an obvious improvement/mistake.
EDIT_2: Sorry my mistake, being there quicker meant you were able to sacrifice time in order to get the mushroom card.
Sorry my mistake, being there quicker meant you were able to sacrifice time in order to get the mushroom card.
But does the mushroom card really help anything? I thought Genisto got the flower card later without slowing down.
AKA wrote:
I did some testing on the first level and I managed to get the weird running effect seen in Level 2 of Nitsuja's WIP, although sadly Mario lost a huge amount of momentum activating the trick, so it ended up being slower, it does make me think though could activating the effect at the start of level 1 save time.
The effect is simply what happens if you go at P-speed or faster without a full P-meter. It could probably be done in 1-1 without losing any time, but it doesn't change your speed and thus cannot possibly save time.
stanski wrote:
can you walljump repeatedly up to the warp in the first castle, avoiding having to get any mushrooms/leafs at all until the auto scrollers
A single walljump could be enough to get up there, but it seems to be just barely impossible to jump high enough to do any walljumps. If only there could be a way to get a koopa shell into the level...
Kyrsimys wrote:
What? Did you test this yourself? Isn't using Raccoon Mario a hell of a lot slower than just using Super Mario?
Normally, yes, but maybe not with the way I beat 1-2, so I think Chamale's proposed route change has potential... maybe.
How could Raccoon mario be slower than Super Mario in any scenario? I can see him being slower than little mario (going under a gap) but not Super Mario.
With that said, I think the best place to get the mushroom (if the wall-jumping thing could work) would be that one part of the first autoscroller where the current run grabs a leaf for points. The fire flower would be grabbed in the last run's place.
On second thought, I don't think it could save any time. Even in 1-1 Raccoon mario is just way too slow compared to Super mario. I'll test it some more though... EDIT: Yeah, definitely much slower. I didn't realize Racoon mario slows you way down even for a regular jump with an empty P-meter.
Ugh yea that block to walljump is just a bit too high, even when jumping off of the question mark block from the other way. Why do programmers have to be stupid and put stuff like that so tantalizingly close?
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Chamale wrote:
No, really, WHY is he slower? I don't know much about SMB3 physics. I don't understand why he's slower at all...
He just is. Especially when you jump with a full P-meter, Mario starts flying, which is way way slower than jumping. As nitsuja said, even regular jumps are slower. Raccoon Mario is intended to be kind of bigger and clumsier than any other form I guess. And yeah, the P-meter simply resets after a while so you can't just run continuously.
Ugh yea that block to walljump is just a bit too high, even when jumping off of the question mark block from the other way. Why do programmers have to be stupid and put stuff like that so tantalizingly close?
Question: Would it be faster to wall-jump up the side of the wall as Raccoon Mario, as opposed to flying up there?
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You mean first flying up to the block and then wall-jumping when you reach the tile boundary? I don't think it's possible with that small an amount of speed. Plus when you jump with Raccoon Mario in P-speed, he'll just start flying again slowly. I haven't tested anything, it just seems impossible to me in my mind.
Its definately slower because they can start flying immediately upon jumping in that room, flying up and rightwards at the same time, versus just going right then just going up with a jump into there and a wall jump.
Ugh yea that block to walljump is just a bit too high, even when jumping off of the question mark block from the other way. Why do programmers have to be stupid and put stuff like that so tantalizingly close?
Question: Would it be faster to wall-jump up the side of the wall as Raccoon Mario, as opposed to flying up there?
That was exactly what I was thinking. What about getting the mushrooms in a different order, and then walljumping after flying into the wall?
Get the first mushroom in 1-3 then get the leaf in the castle and fly up to the wall and walljump there? maybe get the first mushroom in 1-1? I dont know which is quicker. I assume both these tactics would be slower.
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Get the first mushroom in 1-3 then get the leaf in the castle and fly up to the wall and walljump there? maybe get the first mushroom in 1-1? I dont know which is quicker. I assume both these tactics would be slower.
All the previous TASes did that, I would automatically assumed Genisto did enough testing to prove that using that method is slower.
Get the first mushroom in 1-3 then get the leaf in the castle and fly up to the wall and walljump there? maybe get the first mushroom in 1-1? I dont know which is quicker. I assume both these tactics would be slower.
All the previous TASes did that, I would automatically assumed Genisto did enough testing to prove that using that method is slower.
I would assume that as well.
<DeHackEd> every once in a while, a gamer feels the urge to complete SMB without warps, and then they remember just how hard world 7 really is
I was screwing around with NEStopia on my Mac, and I somehow managed to discover not 1, but 2 new glitches. Unfortunately, as NEStopia does not have recording, I don't know exactly what happened.
Unfortunately, this screenshot doesn't accurately show what happens. Basically, I shoved a bob-omb into the wall - if you zoom in, you can see about a third of it.
This next glitch is far more interesting. As you can see, Mario is going through a wall. However, I did not duck to go through the wall. So I somehow went through a wall without going through a corner or the ceiling. If anyone can reproduce this on a recording emulator, that would be very good.
Edit: Sorry, misread it. I thought you meant you did not duck-slide completely under the wall clearing the wall, when you meant you did not duck at all.
I continue to refuse to believe that there is not 1 single frame more to be found anywhere in the 1-1 I recorded...
In theory, if you press start on every single frame and it doesn't pause on some of those frames, it means that frame is lagging. Then find a way to eliminate that lag.
BTW, that is not sarcastic or condescending in any way. It's a real suggestion.
Unfortunately, this screenshot doesn't accurately show what happens. Basically, I shoved a bob-omb into the wall - if you zoom in, you can see about a third of it.
This next glitch is far more interesting. As you can see, Mario is going through a wall. However, I did not duck to go through the wall. So I somehow went through a wall without going through a corner or the ceiling. If anyone can reproduce this on a recording emulator, that would be very good.
