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Posted: 11/15/2009 12:34 PM
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Rolanmen1
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Sorry but i can't download his WIP, can you tell me he did?
Posted: 11/15/2009 2:07 PM
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He used a "floor glich" to make zero could use the stand slash to combo the boss, but i'v fogot something: it is a good way for takes no dameges, with take damges, use rod will be better XD, sorry about my fault~
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Posted: 11/15/2009 2:14 PM
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Ok, i wonder, is there a way i can cancel the Triple Rod with the buster like you did with the Saber?
Posted: 11/15/2009 2:29 PM
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If you have some ideas for take the rolling slash? i don't think buster is a good weapon in any boss battles~
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Posted: 11/15/2009 2:32 PM
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I think that Triple Rod Cancel (if possible) would be faster since it does more damage and i can do it while on the floor. Rolling slash will need me to be in the air always, so triple rod would be faster if i can manage to cancel it. If i can cancel Triple Rod with Buster, then i won't need to get the shield.
Posted: 11/15/2009 3:05 PM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/696621719/MMZ%20rod.vbm you mean like this?
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Posted: 11/15/2009 3:09 PM
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Thanks, that was realy cool. Since this is TAS, i think i can cancel it without moving from my current position. Im still in Aztec Falcon's mission, it's hard to TAS this stage because you can't see Zero for a long time.
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:58 AM
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Rolanmen1
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I have a hard time with the Disposal Center mission, it's damn hard to TAS while not being able to see the character. Anyway, i'm not even sure if i lost some frames on while climbing the wall while out of the screen. Here is the movie file if anyone is interested: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/390420125/0588%20-%20MegaMan%20Zero%20%28U%29_www.mundo-animex.com.vbm EDIT: I figured that before the wall climbing part (when zero could still be seen) i was haved 13 less frames than computerbird's TAS. The same applies after the Wall Climbing :). I will upload the full stage later.
Posted: 11/18/2009 6:57 PM
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Disposal Center Stage has be done. Movie: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/976253344/0588%20-%20MegaMan%20Zero%20%28U%29_www.mundo-animex.com.vbm Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRS9EimLSwg I saved 13 frames from computerbird's TAS, this is possibly the hardest stage of the whole game (maybe it's the final stage dunno), due to being off screen a long time.
Posted: 11/19/2009 1:56 AM
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Good job! Rolanmen1, really hope you can finish this run~
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:10 AM
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Rolanmen1
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Thanks, im trying to figure what would be the best decition. In my mind i have 2 options: 1st: Going to Find Shuttle to slash as many enemies as possible and kill as many enemies as possible and get Air Rolling Slash here for Anubis. 2nd: Going to Retrieve Data and slash those balls that can't be killed as much as needed to get Air Rolling Slash at the end of the stage so i can use it against Ganeshariff. I prefer the 2nd option, also i need 79 Air Slashes to get Air Rolling Slash. If i choose the 2nd, i will do a little TAS without Air Rolling Slash in Retrieve Data to see how many frames i save doing this. Any Advice?
Posted: 11/19/2009 2:34 AM
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computerbird
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hmm, agreed with you, i don't think there are sufficient enemies for the Rolling Slash before vs Anubis. In Retrieve Data mission, i think you can try the "last jump slash" in vs boss( the last frame with jump slash, which can make 5 dameges in vs boss, if you can't understand this, you can see my cancelled MMZ2 run, the intro stage's boss battle, here is the link:http://tasvideos.org/2380S.html).
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:42 AM
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Do you mean when the boss have only 5 HP, to do a SkullCrush attack as the finisher of him? SkullCrush is when you do an Air Slash and hold down to do +1 Damage than Normal Air Slash.
Posted: 11/19/2009 2:54 AM
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That's called "SkullCrush"?, i see, i don't know how to say it with English XD. I don't mean that, you can use the SkullCrush in all of the battle, let's have a small counting for this: Boss HP:64 Air Slash damege:4 SkullCrush damege:5 4*16=64 (total 16 slash) 5*12+4=64 (total 13 slash) so use SkullCrush will be better. The only thing (also a hard work) is manipulat the boss don't do the rolling attack.
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Posted: 11/19/2009 2:59 AM
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You mean that i should do this without getting the Air Rolling Slash?
Posted: 11/19/2009 3:05 AM
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yes, i think this way is better, if you take the Rolling Slash, you'll cost 316 frames with the 79 air slash, i don't know if the Rolling Slash will get the time back in vs boss, so you'd better do some test to compare which way is better.
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Posted: 11/19/2009 3:06 AM
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Rolanmen1
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Thanks a lot, after re-watching you Z2 TAS i will test it.
Posted: 11/19/2009 12:22 PM
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Well i did a little TAS vs the boss only without Rolling Slash,and compared it to you fight against him in your TAS (it would be the same anyway). And the difference between the 2 are of 604 frames, so if i get Rolling Slash i would save 604 - 316 = 288, making it realy worthy. So i will continue the TAS while getting Rolling Slash.
Posted: 11/20/2009 5:30 AM
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Well, i finaly finished the Retrieve Data's Stage, i ended up getting Rolling Slash when killing the last enemy, though, im not sure if it's optimal or not, since i haved to get hit at some points to go forward and i used those frames to attack those invincible enemies and not getting hit (most of the times). Also, when i get hit, i tried to always end up being pushed forward instead of backwards. Anyway, here's the movie: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1121635319/0588%20-%20MegaMan%20Zero%20%28U%29_www.mundo-animex.com.vbm Please, tell me if you think that someplace of this movie it's improvable while getting Air Rolling Slash at the end.
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:17 AM
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hmm, not too much idea about this, maybe only use the invincible enemies to get hit will have a littile help? i'm not sure... Anyway, impressive work, really not too much idea about this.
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Posted: 11/20/2009 4:16 PM
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Rolanmen1
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I re-did the stage again, i improved it by 41 frames. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1127069772/0588%20-%20Megaman%20Zero%20%28UE%29.vbm
Posted: 11/21/2009 5:14 AM
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Rolanmen1
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I did another attempt, and i ended loosing frames, so i will leave it just like the movie above, unless someone can find a way to improve the stage alone. Tomorrow i will start TASing Ganeshariff and the way back to the base, unless I/someone can find a improvable spot.
Posted: 11/27/2009 1:17 PM
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Sorry for the long time without updates, i finaly finished Retrieve Data, with a time of 55 seconds in the ingame timer. Thanks to computerbird for telling me how to manipulate the boss, wich is a bitch sometimes. Movie: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1879527022/0588%20-%20MegaMan%20Zero%20%28U%29_www.mundo-animex.com.vbm Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFyQ-vvegy8 Any idea you can give to improve it? Please Comment
Posted: 11/27/2009 1:47 PM
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Posted: 11/27/2009 5:08 PM
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Those invincible obstacle enemies sure make leveling up a breeze, huh? Looking good! :)
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