Topic by Spriteless

Posted: 12/11/2005 1:20 AM

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Spriteless

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:o) Err, back to kinda sorta on topic, next time anyone wants help, yet is at risk of being harrased, you could just PM a few experienced people your progress, or a link to an oft updated movie file. Just saying.

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Posted: 12/11/2005 1:59 AM

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Phil

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Or simply ban the ONLY responsible of this problem.

Posted: 12/11/2005 2:05 AM

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Bag_of_Magic_Food

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The only what?

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Posted: 12/12/2005 5:42 PM
(Edited: 7/21/2006 8:02 PM)

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The_Teezy

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Posted: 12/12/2005 6:09 PM

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Bag_of_Magic_Food

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Maybe your FFDShow needs to be activated somehow.

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Posted: 12/12/2005 6:37 PM

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Hamelin

Joined: 5/4/2005
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Usually it shows up in the taskbar when I open movie files. Did it show up down there?

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Posted: 12/12/2005 11:53 PM

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The_Teezy

Joined: 12/12/2005
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no it didn't, and with all the other movies it usually does, even if i click on the icons in the start menu nothing happens. So, I don't know, I really want to see this movie though. this game used to take me hours to complete, and the sonic 2 movie was CRAZY.

Posted: 12/13/2005 6:57 AM

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JXQ

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This is the site for h264. It may have a codec that you don't have installed. http://www.x264.nl/

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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:26 PM

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The_Teezy

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still nothing. oh well, guess i wasn't supposed to see this one. thanks for the help though.

Posted: 12/13/2005 6:30 PM

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Bag_of_Magic_Food

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Did you make sure the checkbox for 264 was checked in the FFDShow settings?

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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:31 PM

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TNSe

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Install the player from http://www.videolan.org

Posted: 12/13/2005 6:32 PM

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Shinryuu

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Install.. some good "codec megapack" and use Media player classic.. :E

Posted: 12/13/2005 6:33 PM

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Hamelin

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If all else fails, mplayer plays everything.

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Posted: 12/13/2005 7:25 PM

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Ouzo

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Or you could just download the emulator and movie file and play the movie through the rom (but don't ask for any). This method has perfect quality and is the most convenient, IMO.

Posted: 12/14/2005 6:14 AM

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The_Teezy

Joined: 12/12/2005
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TNSe: that videolan link worked! Wow. Whoever did this movie, you're a damn genious. Green Hill act 3 was priceless.

Posted: 4/24/2006 2:29 AM

Post subject: Optimizing Sonic Movement (s1 and s2)

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cynicmusic

Joined: 4/23/2006
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What are some general strategies for making sonic speed runs? I currently play at 25% speed and use frame advance for losing momentum (air/ground), stop, change direction, crouch, and spin dash. I feel that my frame-by-frame key sequences are not optimal -- I sometimes overcorrect on a stop or jump too high becuase sonic reacts a few frames after the input. I am just wondering how the pros do it and what settings are best to execute various manuevers in the fastest possible frame count.

Posted: 4/24/2006 2:37 AM

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JXQ

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Sonic 1 and 2? I'm guessing the subtleties are quite different, because in Sonic 1, running at a faster speed than the "allowed maximum" and pressing forward will actually slow Sonic down. 25% speed is probably not an easy way to optimize things to the frame level. Jumping at different frames can subtlely change the horizontal momentum. If you overcorrect on a stop, simply reload and try stopping on a different frame. I don't know much about Sonic 2.

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Posted: 4/24/2006 2:56 AM

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xebra

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Sonic 1 is horrible to optimize. There are places where you just have to try stupid things for no reason because the game's physics engine is impenetrable. There are places where you can enter a pipe on a particular frame and at a particular speed, and you'd exit the pipe faster if you had in fact entered slower and a frame later. There are places where it matters very much if you jump from this pixel or that one (and with how much force) on a slope. Also, some levels have a huge amount of moving obstacles whose patterns aren't entirely predictable, and it is a triumph of true grit if you can manage to luck all the obstacles out of your way continuously. Sonic 2 and 3 require a different sort of attention. Invariably the best thing to do at many spots in the games is to stop and spindash, so much of the optimization involves learning how to stop and fully charge a spindash in as few frames as possible, as well as finding the best loop and slope jumps.

Posted: 4/24/2006 3:57 AM

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cynicmusic

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xebra wrote:

finding the best loop and slope jumps.

Yeah I seem to do well at finding them when playing in slow motion (25%) and realtime as well, but it's hard to replicate the same moves frame-by-frame. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how the physics of slopes work and what buttons do what and how long to hold them for. Im working on CPZ currently some of the things I'm having difficulty with - how to maintain faster than max speed - what to tap/hold on the d-pad (forward, down) when jumping off the downward slope of a ramp. - what to tap/hold on the d-pad (forward, down) when landing - if jump height (holding jump button) affects the forward momentum when jumping off the downward slope of a ramp - how to go from rolling to running without jumping

Posted: 4/24/2006 9:10 PM

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bobxp

Joined: 2/15/2005
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Location: Torquay, England

The deal with "character reacts 3 frames after you press buttons" has occured in the Streets of Rage games as well... I don't know why the games do that. Maybe all Genesis games do it?

Posted: 4/24/2006 10:17 PM

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Bag_of_Magic_Food

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More like all games do it.

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Posted: 4/25/2006 5:45 AM

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Shadow_Byrn

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Yeah, Megaman the Power Battle will do the same thing. Although in that one it takes input every frame, you have to wait like 5 frames for the animation to actually take effect.

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Posted: 7/21/2006 8:12 AM

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xebra

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Sadly, according to mike89, someone at the Sonic Center claims to have gotten 0'24" on GH1 on a console. gbagcn and ybbun long ago asked why I don't respect TSC? This is why. It's just hard to want to be a part of the TSC community when it's apparent so many of the times aren't real, and the admins don't really care about it. JXQ finished the level on frame 37:01. The clock increments to 25 at frame 37:03. There are something like 20 jumps and 3 rolls in the level, almost all of which require precision down to a single frame, again almost all of which will penalize you by more than 2 frames (sometimes as many as 10 or 20) if you are off by just 1/60th of a second. I almost didn't make a post about this. I really don't want to drag up old skeletons just for the sake of making people look bad. It's just so sad and attention needs to be drawn to it. The reason people feel the need to fake times at TSC is fundamentally the same as the reason people fly planes into buildings and blow themselves up in restaurants and do all the horrible things we humans do. Why can't we fix something so simple as getting people to stop telling meaningless lies? It really makes me depressed.

Posted: 7/21/2006 10:41 AM

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KDR_11k

Joined: 1/23/2006
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You tried to run a video with the Divx player. As the name says that only runs Divx.

Posted: 7/21/2006 1:40 PM

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JXQ

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Actually, three people now have times of 0:24. And two of them got the time only four days after the first! Imagine that! Someone should submit a time of 1:08 on Labyrinth 3 and put "TAS strat used on console" as the comment. Cuz, clearly!

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