Why are you reading the (wrong) text? Look at the title screens. The Japanese version was released first.

http://futuregamez.net/ps2games/neocontra/neocontra.html "First released in 1986 (and renamed Gryzor in Europe)" See, I can grab quotes off random websites too.

魂斗羅 魂 - kon 斗 - to 羅 - ra Also the reason the Japanese version is better in every way is because it contains an extra chip in it. Konami did that for a lot of games.

Imo, it doesn't look so much better. It is snowing in one stage and fir trees that are shaking. I didn't noticed anything else.

And the alien lair is squishy! And there are cutscenes that don't matter because a speedrunner skips them anyway!

hmm, I also notice that waterfalls are blue in the J version while it's blue-green in the U version which is better because there's pollution. So, -1 point for the J version. :P

Sorry for the confusion. Of course I wasn't trying to obselete the single player run, rather I was trying to create a new category for a run, which is what has been attempted at least two times before. I just didn't see the need to add all that filler text a third time, but I had no intention of misleading anyone into thinking I was trying to use a faster rom to get a faster run. That's why my first line was "Please don't vote 'yes' because the time looks faster!!!" The reason I did the comparisons was so everyone could get an idea of where this rated in regards to my older run and the single player run, not intending on obseleting anything. All of the two player run submissions to date have been compared to the 1-player run, so it seemed important for people to know what this time would have been if it were played with the same version of the game. Anyway, as for the waterfall glitch, I did attempt it, and there were two spots I pulled it off in testing. I have a better understanding of how to do it, but I still don't know exactly how it works. When it does work, you can jump one frame faster than you could before. This creates sort of a bouncing effect with the player, because he won't land and stand straight for a frame before jumping again. The first time, I could only get player 1 to do it because player 2 was dragging behind as a result of the stage design (the first platform they jump to in the level needs to be walked to, putting player 1 ahead). Player 1 was so far ahead, 2 actually died in a couple of test runs. Anyway, as soon as I reached the next floating island, player 1 needed to wait anyway. The second time, I hit it at the top of the waterfall with both players, as I did with my previous submission. And, again, I nailed the island too early. It was coming towards me, just out of range for the jump. So, I had to wait for it to reverse directions then jump. It didn't save any time and it actually looked slower because of the waiting, so I opted to just make the normal jumps. I would love to explore this further, but I just can't figure out exactly how it works. As for flaws other than the jump glitch, can someone explain? I'm not sure what you mean. (Still learning here - I guess technically, this is only my 2nd TAS ever, both for the same run.) I'll fix 'em.

flaw is the fact that you didn't used the spread gun to beat bosses a lot faster.

Anyway, as for the waterfall glitch, I did attempt it

Cool. Thanks. I figured having two-players would screw it up. However, if I can remember your run without re-watching it, at some point in the level Bill and Lance were synched up, so theoretically, you could do the jump glitch/trick with both of them jumping at the same time, and hence one wouldn't be ahead of the other. For example, you could have done it after all the moving platforms, in the same place that Genisto did it in his one-player run.

two player run, looked very good to me.

YES vote. I'm also tired of Contra runs that stick to spreadgun, it's just unfair. :) And I don't see a reason why this run should obsolete something. If I make dualTAS (Contra+SuperC), would it be obsoleting anything? No, it wouldn't. Same with this 2p run.

I liked this movie a lot, games are always more interesting to watch when there are more players. Tough to vote however because this movie is not optimized. I don't think that movie should obsolete either of the two other existing movies however because this movie falls into a category of its own. Besides there is nothing wrong with having pacifist contra runs... Battletoads has 3 movies, each are different, so in my opinion I think contra is entitled to 3 as well.