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Hello there! Im lipucd and I've been QUITE interested in speed runs for a while now. So I was thinking to myself last month on doing one and posting it up here...the only question I had was "what game would I do?" and "If so would it be good for a speed run?"
Well After a week of thinking I came up with the idea of using star fox, it was astounding when it first came out with its 3-D gfx and indeed had some nice effects yet I found out that it wasn't the BEST for speed running as the game lituraly PUTS you on rails and the only time you can speed up is at boss fights...As I COULD do I I desided to focus on my attention on anoter Star Fox gam...one that hasn't even come out! I'm talking about Star Fox 2 for the Snes. It was a trashed project by nintendo and wasn't relesed BUT there is a dump of the ROM that is FULLY playable ( If not at times slighty glitchy ^^; ) and found it to be a MUCH better choice to use as A) not every one knows abot this little gem so seeing someone blast thought this game would be a shock to anyone and B) it was the only star fox game to have "Full-Range" mode on 24/7 =p
But then a fear struck me...first off this game never came out! Would that make it invalid to use for a speed run on this site? And then there's the debate over using pactes/hacks and because this game never TRULY came out one might say/think that the games a hack of Star Fox...
So my question to you all is "Can Star Fox 2 be used as a speed run?" Well however this turns out thank you all for taking the time on reading this! =3
~lipucd
P.S.: The rom Image in question is "Star Fox 2 (Beta TD) (J) [o1].smc" as its the only WORKING image out of all of them. Oh and even thought the rom SAYS its an overdump...its not =p
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Ahh...Thank you for your support! =D
...But sad to say just because star fox 64 is being done doesn't help to know if star fox 2 (snes) is allowed...^^;...BUT if someones doing star fox 64...then star fox (snes) as a speed run would be duable...but then I just have to figure out the entertanement point thats all! XD
Im hoping star fox 2 is allowed as I can do more in it ( manly in dog fights agenst bosses ) that I think many people will find quite impressive...but meh, I MIGHT just have to settle with the first one insted...;_;
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IT might be COMPARABLE to the GRADIUS movie which IS already here. I'm not sure IF ANYBODY would be WILLING TO WATCH another one of those dodge-fests, UNLESS THERE ARE many INTERESTING GLITCHES TO BE abused.
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@LagDotCom: In Star Fox 1....no, not realy ^^;...Im still loking to see if I can't find SOME sort of glitch yet meh...im not...=p
Star Fox 2:...So far a found 2 little glitches, and only one would be funny as it covers my viewing screen with a HUGH pexel yet I still kill my enamy without taking a hit in the fastest time...So meh...but Star fox 2 is mostly free roming, little to no rails here! :XD: So like I said I get more access to what I can, and cannot do in it.
@Boco: Meh...As I can take the fact that he didn't FULLY understand the question, he doesn't need to keep on doing that "lower-HIGHER" case speech thought ^^; so I somewhat agree to that comment of yours...
@Hoe: Ya sad to say he didn't fully GRASP on what I was asking about ^^;...Meh...I hope SOMEONE can give me a clear message soon before all this work im putting into it is for naught...
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Yet you dont hate lipucd, who's still typing random words in caps to seemingly emphasize them?
Using bold emphasizes something more I'd say.
In regards to the actual game being tasable, I question whether or not it would be viable, since from what I understand it still has some serious flaws in it that I believe were able to be fixed with a translation patch, which isn't allowed under the site rules.
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@Atma: Well ouch to that...but ya its true...I guess I too have that problem as well...Sorry to everyone that I've affended doing that ^^;
As far as the speed run goes thought...For starters there are only two glitches I've found w/out the patch:
1)When dog fighting agenst "boss" ( changes on diffuculty ) if hit in a certen way causes on of its pixels to block the screen making it unviewable ( yet its also in the pach as well =p )
2) If you fight "boss" or star wolkf team w/out getting into combat with at least a missile or figher squad, the game hangs.
Now one of these I can actervate and make the boss battle quite funny as I only allow the watcher ( and myself ) to hear whats going on...We can still see my health and chaging bar but the action is hidden by that pexil....As for the other one, well if it actervates my speed runs over with...so to make sure it doesn't I enter a battle with the closet missile ( its almost in my freaking face when I start off! ), quicky take it out ( game clock reads 0.0 in time ) and then move onto star wolf =D
So far its looking nice yet I still need to know it the unpached verson is breaking the rules or not...;_;
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It's okay, I prefer bold or italics to emphasise things.
Also, snap judgement is a baaaad thing.
At SDA we have a rule that only allows 'commercial' games, but I can't find a similar rule here. I guess it's more up to staff to decide on this one.
If the game is as free-ranging as you say, and not autoscrolling, then it's definitely a good candidate.
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@Phil: Naa...its not that good acualy ^^; Its preety fun to play but it could have been better as a game overall...But thanks for clearing this up for me!...I guess that just means I sould move onto star fox instend of star fox 2 ^^;
...but then im stuck on rails and all I can relly do is near dodge every attack =p
@LagDotCom: Ya that was the problem...I couldn't find any rule stating that I couldn't...then again I couldn't find a rule saying that I could ether ^^; But yes it is as free roming as I stated, more even then star fox assult! (but thats because many flying only stages are on rails =p ) and thank you for your support as well! =D
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@moozooh: Well at least im on your good side! =D
Meh...maybe I souldn't be asking if doing this speed run is allowed more then does anyone want to see it? Well, maybe if I get enugh support I can talk to a mod and see if they will aloow such a thing to be done... ( tell the truth I did this is as bisqwi acualy asked me to post it here and see if I could after e-mailing him about it! )
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Well I want to. There are a couple of tricks to speed up and/or make a Starfox movie entertaining. I know it cause I've beat this game countless times striving for a 100% completion on my SNES. %)
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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
I would say to go for it, and just use AGTP's patch for it (google). It'll be listed under hacks/whatever, but at least it'll make the game less "wait, they didn't finish this?"
Just beware of the semi-constant crashes from not-quite-emulated-right-still SFX2, though.
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@moozooh: Well thats good to know! =D One thing I've been abusing so far is that in this game the airwing has infinte boost ( not kidding ) and break allowing me to do just about ANYTHING that I want to do in the run, also the all imfamis "mech" mode shoots as fast as you press ( I.E. torbo sends a godly stream of bullets at whatever I want ) but the only thing Im trying to spped up is the transformation from airwing to "mech" as its a hefty +100 frames! So if I use the "mech" it might only be done when I abulutly need to otherwise the movie might be a few miuntes longer then it could have been ^^;
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lipucd: If you think the movie will be entertaining, go for it but if not, I don't recommend it. It's always sad for authors when their movie is rejected.
Personally, I don't see any reasons to reject entertaining movies from beta, pirate or unlicensed games when some hacked game movies had been published.
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@Xkeeper: thats ture for Zsnes but acualy Snes9x 1.43 + 9f acualy runs this puppy perfectly even w/out the patch!...oh! im looking into seeing it the movie when done can also run in sync when the patch is applyed ( as I noticed the rockman&forte speedrun does with its patch even thought it was ment to run on the verson without the patch )
@Zurreco: as I don't like making truble for anyone can I request that we don't have a flame war here? would like to find out if anyone is willing to watch this speed run of mine once I get it done and I'd rather not go thought "hate posts" just to do so ^^; thank you!
@Phil: Well thank you! As im finding out some nifty time savers it looks like I can indeed make quite a fun and simi thrilling movie from this game! So then I guess I sould just go for it and see how everyone else takes it. Then from this point onward I'll use this topic to track all my progress on this.
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lipucd wrote:
@Zurreco: as I don't like making truble for anyone can I request that we don't have a flame war here? would like to find out if anyone is willing to watch this speed run of mine once I get it done and I'd rather not go thought "hate posts" just to do so ^^; thank you!
She started it :(
Also, like I said, people will probably watch a Star Fox 2 run because they showed a tremendous amount of interest in the Star Fox 64 works.
Actually, what I said about 100% completion relates to the first part of the original, and I don't have a clue of what's going on in the second part of the game (I've played it for about three minutes, and that's all). So, I assume, you're running Starfox 2?
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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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Man you guys post fast! @w@;;;
@Zurreco: Ahh ok now I understand were your logic was comming from! Thank you for clearing it up! And also because someone says something to you, doesn't give you the right to do so back at them ^^; I just hope thought that both of you can get along! =3 And thanks for the support! =D
@moozooh: ahh...you mean the first star fox ( the real one =p ), well I might concerder doing it at a later time but more likely at SDA as its not that impressive as a tool asseted run ^^; I mean to a fan of it ya I can pull off some things that would make most people go "WTF?!?!" but to us used to these speed runs, well, theres better I can tell you that =p
and yes im using star fox 2 (TD beta) =3
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