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Posted: 6/18/2006 5:20 AM
Post subject: Joe and Mac
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Ash_Williams
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I was considering doing a two player run of this game and I was wondering if anyone would find it entertaining to watch. This game is weird in that a large amount of time in the levels would be spent fighting bosses. Another question would be about the difficulty level. I think the only difference between easy and hard modes are the amount of life the enemies and bosses have. A hard run on this game would have a large amount of time spent against bosses, but it doesn't seem right playing on easy. Any ideas/input would be great.
Posted: 6/18/2006 5:37 AM
Post subject: YEAH!
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pirate_sephiroth
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What are you waiting for????????????????? I love this game! I played it a lot when I was a kid. I remember how long a boss fight can be... but I don't remember if Hard mode adds something extra to the game...
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself. It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success." - Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Drama, too long, didn't read, lol.
Posted: 7/12/2006 6:29 PM
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Frylock
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YES, joe and mac 4tW. I'd do it. I dont really know any tricks in the game, but i've beaten it before, lol. Is there really a Hard mode? I thought there was only 1 Player, 2 Player, and 2 Player Super Game. Is the super game hard mode? Because the only thing i've noticed in that is that you can hurt eachother.
Posted: 7/13/2006 5:53 AM
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Ash_Williams
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You can select hard mode in the option menu. All it does is give more life to the enemies and bosses. 2 player super mode also lets you stand on each other allowing you to pull off some neat aerobics. I did 1 level of this game with two players and didn't think it would be that good of a run after all because the boss fights are really long and boring, especially at the end of the game. I put this off in favor of battletoads and double dragon. As for glitches I found one, but I have no idea how it happened and I can't reproduce it. I rolled off a platform and when hitting the ground started another roll. Instead of going straight the character went up into the air at 45 degrees. This would be very useful in the climbing levels, but I don't know what caused it to happen.
Posted: 7/13/2006 11:11 PM
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http://rapidshare.de/files/25779057/Joe___Mac__U_____.smv.html theres a quick file i made out of the first 2 levels. its not that great, but i guess it shows how like the 1st boss fight is so slowwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Posted: 7/14/2006 2:57 PM
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ventuz
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Frylock wrote:
http://rapidshare.de/files/25779057/Joe___Mac__U_____.smv.html theres a quick file i made out of the first 2 levels. its not that great, but i guess it shows how like the 1st boss fight is so slowwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Why not dehacked's microstorage? Also boomerang are weak, that's why slow on first boss. Why you didn't use fire attack? Doesn't matter if "Hard" difficult is making the game become longer to finish, TAS it down. Oh btw, I'm interested in seeing this game get TASed, one of my old game I used to have.
Posted: 7/14/2006 3:54 PM
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well i just figured that the fire took too long to reload, but maybe it is better to use. and ok i wont use hard.
Posted: 7/14/2006 6:39 PM
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ventuz
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No no no, use HARD but beat it down with TAS, frame advance or whatever. Make it entertaining. Was I confusing? English isn't my prime language.
Posted: 7/14/2006 8:36 PM
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Frylock
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no no, its just the fact that it takes up extra time to switch the game to hard mode.
Posted: 7/14/2006 8:51 PM
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Brushy
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Frylock wrote:
no no, its just the fact that it takes up extra time to switch the game to hard mode.
It doesn't matter if it takes extra time to change to the hard mode. Sometimes you even have to input a password to get the hard mode (Smash TV for example).
Posted: 7/14/2006 10:16 PM
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ah ok that's nice then :P
Posted: 7/15/2006 12:13 AM
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I had been experimenting with control to get caveman to roll, to roll, you need 2 frames of wait still, 2 frames of hold forward, 2 frames of wait still again, and then forward to roll. *edit - actually, this doesn't apply to every action, odd, sometime you only need 1 stay, 1 forward, 1 stay.
Posted: 7/15/2006 12:53 AM
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yeah that really annoys me. it screws me up a lot. i use it just to roll pass cavemen and anything else. i can combo this into a rolling jump too, which can work effectively. EdiT: actually rolling pretty much pwns. check out this quick example i made http://rapidshare.de/files/25880937/example_of_roll.smv.html
Posted: 7/15/2006 5:19 AM
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ventuz
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Yes. Ok here, if you can't get from power-on to first boss' death under 6700 frames, you should try follow these guidelines and practice frame advance. I'm not going to try steal the idea or your work, I never finish any of my TAS works. =/
Posted: 7/15/2006 3:51 PM
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Frylock
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yeah, i'm still a newb in using savestates and frame advance (i've never even tried frame advance yet) mostly because im' too impatient to play the game that slow ^^ and dont feel like your stealing my work, if you can do better, go ahead! it wasnt even my idea in the first place :P but i guess i just took it over :P damn, this game is slow responding. it takes like 5 frames of holding B for it to finally start jumping. takes around the same ammount to start walking. it takes around 13 frames to finally throw something/ hit someone. takes around 65 frames to jump and land just straight up and down.
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:15 AM
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ventuz
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I just found that to cancel high jump spinning, you must not hold any left or right direction while pressing jump button. Press only up when jumping, then press left or right to stop spinning so you can attack during high jump. I might be able take this task, I'm up to Pterodactyl boss at 3:45, entertainment > speed in it.
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:41 AM
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Frylock
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yeah, this game is definatley boring just blowing through it. its better off to stop and kill some dudes i think
Posted: 7/16/2006 6:28 AM
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ventuz
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Done level 4, time is 6:48 walking upon level 5 pad. I could post WIP but I need to figure out how to hex in author name. I forgot to fill in =/ *edit, WIP @ http://ventuz.homestead.com/files/joenmac.zip , haven't figure out how to attach my name onto Author Info box yet. Off to bed.
Posted: 7/16/2006 8:11 AM
Post subject: oh
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pirate_sephiroth
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One minute after he starts his sleep, I finish the thing... Grab it here. Ventuz, don't you forget to bookmark http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself. It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success." - Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Drama, too long, didn't read, lol.
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:25 PM
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Things I liked about this: -Calling the shots about 80% of the time they needed to hit. What I mean is, you threw the weapon and let the enemy (usually bosses) stumble into it. Most obvious in the Giant Pterodactyl fight and the fight against those fish enemies (not sure what they're called, really), I think. -Sacrificing pure speed for some entertainment. An absolute pure speed run of this game, in my opinion, would be BORING, mainly because of the slow movement speed of the characters. Things that bothered me: -As far as I was able to see, you seem to be a couple pixels off all the time when finding the position for the end-of-level scene. I know, it may seem like 'just a couple of pixels', but if it bothers me at this stage, it may bother whatever judge decides to look at it if/when it's submitted, in which case they may very well reject the run. If it really is unavoidable, though, please say so, but I really suspect the slight miss in that area can be avoided. -I still seem convinced that whether the boss goes into 'shock state' (and a bar is taken off of their health) is determined by a certain amount of time passing (which is different for some bosses - this is why the T-Rex fight is so slow and the Giant Pterodactyl fight is so fast), rather than how many times you actually hit them. Just something to investigate, really.
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:32 PM
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damn why do all my movies mess up? whenever i watch them, the movements get out of sync at certain parts. for this it was in the middle of the T Rex
Posted: 7/16/2006 3:44 PM
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Thank you for comment FrostyTheDragon
FrostyTheDragon wrote:
-As far as I was able to see, you seem to be a couple pixels off all the time when finding the position for the end-of-level scene.
You mean babe showing up for it? I tried even perfect spot, caveman just move forward 1 pixel then move back 1 pixel.
FrostyTheDragon wrote:
Just something to investigate, really.
One part of me I don't like to do during in making of TAS. One thing I think that first boss dino has no weakness against any weapon, plant boss weak against fire, green pterodactyl boss weak against fire (as faq said).
Frylock wrote:
whenever i watch them, the movements get out of sync at certain parts. for this it was in the middle of the T Rex
Ah that's where I used L/R and U/D, get Nitsuja improved Snes9x
Posted: 7/16/2006 4:07 PM
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Just for fun Ill post the work I made on this game a while back. Can I suggest that instead of doing a 1 player run you do a 2 player super mode run instead? I think that with 2 people on screen it can make the game look a bit more interesting to watch. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1389/Joe%20and%20Mac%20-%20Caveman%20Ninja%20%28U%29.smv This run is in no way perfect, but it shows how using 2 players can open up a lot of potential
Posted: 7/16/2006 4:15 PM
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ventuz
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yeah it looks alot more entertaining, but 2 player thing is beyond me.
Posted: 7/17/2006 12:44 AM
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Frylock
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its not beyond me ^^
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