Topic by Kyrsimys

Posted: 5/8/2007 4:46 PM

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Kyrsimys

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I tried it out and I can't even get myself up to P-speed, but that just might be because I don't really know the physics inside out and wasn't trying too hard. Still, even if it is possible to reach P-speed at that point, I'm pretty convinced it'd be slower than just going up the steps and going through the top block.

Posted: 5/8/2007 6:29 PM

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karterfreak

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STUPID QUESTION ALERT! Do you have to have P-speed to do the block trick mentioned above, or is there no way in hell?

Posted: 5/8/2007 6:31 PM

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Kyrsimys

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I'm pretty sure you have to have P-speed. At least every time I've seen it done (by Genisto, JXQ for example), they have delibaretly gotten up to P-speed before going through.

Posted: 5/16/2007 9:22 AM

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Tompa

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Here's the shortcut in W7 Castle I talked about yester Karter, and I guess I couldn't show it to Kyrsimys as well: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/5565/W7Castle.fcm

Posted: 5/16/2007 4:52 PM

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Kyrsimys

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Yeah, that's awesome Tompa! I saw you describe that on IRC but didn't have time to respond but it sure is a great trick.

Posted: 5/16/2007 9:27 PM

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edit: better version up now http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/5578/Mario%20Adventure%20v2.fcm BE WARNED, THERE IS ALOT OF TEXT AFTER THIS WARNING Beginning of long message ---WORLD 6 LEVEL COMPARISONS--- When mario first appears in warp zone Me 329 frames Kyrsimys 128613 frames When Mario appears on screen in Level 1 Me 755 frames Kyrsimys 129039 frames When Mario finishes level 1 (when blackout reaches full darkness) Me 3209 frames Kyrsimys 131430 frames When Mario appears on screen in Level 2 Me 3514 frames Kyrsimys 131735 frames When Mario finishes level 2 (when blackout reaches full darkness) Me 6296 frames Kyrsimys 134351 frames When Mario appears on screen in Level 3 Me 6677 frames Kyrsimys 134771 frames When Mario finishes level 3 (when blackout reaches full darkness) Me 8172 frames Kyrsimys 136100 frames When Mario appears on screen in level 4 Me 9308 frames Kyrsimys 137287 frames When Mario finishes level 4 (when blackout reaches full darkness) Me 10875 frames Kyrsimys 138899 frames When Mario appears on screen in level 5 Me 11209 frames Kyrsimys 139238 frames When Mario finishes level 5 (when blackout reaches full darkness) Me 12849 frames Kyrsimys 141092 frames When Mario appears on screen in level 6 Me 13215 frames Kyrsimys 141526 frames When Mario finishes level 6 (when blackout reaches full darkness) Me 15654 frames Kyrsimys 143990 frames When Mario appears on screen in level 7 (castle) Me 16022 frames Kyrsimys 144358 frames When Mario finishes level 7 (castle) (when blackout reaches full darkness) Me 18176 frames Kyrsimys 146725 frames When Mario appears on screen in level 8 (final level) Me 18431 frames Kyrsimys 146980 frames When Mario appears back at warp zone (considering end of final level) Me 22864 frames Kyrsimys 151434 frames ---OTHER WORLD 6 COMPARISONS--- Total Frames Before Level 1 Me 426 frames Kyrsimys 426 frames Difference: 0 frames Total Frames Playing Level 1 Me 2454 frames Kyrsimys 2391 frames Difference: 63 frames (kyrsimys) Total Frames Before Level 2 Me 305 frames Kyrsimys 305 frames Difference: 0 frames Total Frames Playing Level 2 Me 2782 frames Kyrsimys 2616 frames Difference: 166 frames (kyrsimys) Total Frames Before Level 3 Me 381 frames Kyrsimys 420 frames Difference: 39 frames (me) Total Frames Playing Level 3 Me 1495 frames Kyrsimys 1329 frames Difference: 166 frames (kyrsimys) Total Frames Before Level 4 Me 1136 frames Kyrsimys 1187 frames Difference: 51 frames (me) Total Frames Playing Level 4 Me 1567 frames Kyrsimys 1612 frames Difference: 45 frames (me) Total Frames Before Level 5 Me 334 Kyrsimys 339 frames Difference: 5 frames (me) Total Frames Playing Level 5 Me 1640 frames Kyrsimys 1854 frames Difference: 214 frames (me) Total Frames Before Level 6 Me 366 frames Kyrsimys 434 frames Difference: 68 frames (me) Total Frames Playing Level 6 Me 2439 frames Kyrsimys 2464 frames Difference: 25 frames (me) Total Frames Before Level 7 (Castle) Me 368 frames Kyrsimys 368 frames Difference: 0 frames Total Frames Playing Level 7 (Castle) Me 2154 frames Kyrsimys 2367 frames Difference: 213 frames (me) Total Frames Before Level 8 (Final Level) Me 255 frames Kyrsimsys 255 frames Difference: 0 frames Total Frames Playing Level 8 (Final Level) Me 4433 Kyrsimys 4454 Difference: 21 frames (me) Total Frames For Completion of World 6 Me 22535 Kyrsimys 22821 Difference: 286 frames (me) End of long message

Posted: 5/17/2007 6:17 AM

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Tompa

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Looking gooood :D. I do have one question... In the Castle, when you hit an invisble block to be able to go into the door... Couldn't you do as I did in the the movie with the W7 Castle?

Posted: 5/17/2007 7:17 PM

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karterfreak

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you could, but you already have momentum to the right, so by the time you slow down and get enough speed to the left to get your foot stuck in the wall, you could have the block hit and gotten into the door. (edit: no time loss, actually there is a time gain because this allows me to enter the door faster by warping into it, watch that part in frame advance to see what i mean)

Posted: 5/17/2007 7:20 PM

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Kyrsimys

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Yeah, everything's looking great, you're really putting my run to shame. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the run!

Posted: 5/19/2007 5:50 PM

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Tompa

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I'm pretty sure you know about these two, just wanted to point them out anyway:

You shall be able to glitch through that wall up there.

Positive here as well.

Posted: 5/19/2007 7:56 PM

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Kyrsimys

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What? How the hell can you do that last one? You know that you can't slide to the left through the wall, right? Is there some other trick?

Posted: 5/20/2007 2:28 AM

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Unfortunately, you can only go right through walls. But, IDK the rules for going through corners. Would it be possible to go through that corner and keep going left?

Posted: 5/20/2007 6:06 AM

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Tompa

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That's what I thought about... I've never tried to jump through the edge that way. Can the "go into the pipe from the side" trick be in use somewhere in the run? It probably can, if it isn't removed from SMB3.

Posted: 6/16/2007 3:14 AM

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karterfreak

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Well, i know Kyrsimys and Tompala have been waiting quite a while for a new wip, so here it is. World 6 and 7 are now done. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1211303570/Mario%20Adventure%20v2.fcm

Posted: 6/16/2007 6:39 AM

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Haha, castle 7 looks awesome now :D. Was it only me or did you wait ½ second before you entered the boss? Was that to manipulate him or anything? Very nice so far.

Posted: 6/16/2007 8:37 AM

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Kyrsimys

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Looks awesome. The castle is really great. Did you test other routes through W7 or did you just decide to go with mine? I'm pretty sure the route we used is the fastest one though.

Posted: 6/16/2007 3:45 PM

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karterfreak

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@ tompala: i was manipulating the boss so that he wouldnt use his wand attack so he would get closer to me faster @ kyrsimys: i tested most other routes, yours was the fastest as far as i can tell.

Posted: 6/16/2007 9:23 PM

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Wait. I think if you go through there and stand up as you run left, you should be OK.

Posted: 6/16/2007 9:27 PM

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karterfreak

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All of world 7 is being done because of a better route that should save around a minute and 15 seconds or so.

Posted: 6/16/2007 9:27 PM

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Kyrsimys

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Through where? Run left to where? Do you mean running when you are inside the wall? If so, that's impossible. EDIT: And karter, that's simply awesome. I'm very glad you're working on this, the finished product will be great.

Posted: 6/16/2007 10:11 PM

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You know when getting the wand from the boss, if you're not half way off the screen (like the 1st boss) then grab the wand when it has gotten to the bottom. That way you won't fall down as long

Posted: 6/20/2007 12:42 AM

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karterfreak

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heres the new wip with world 7's new route. It also shows at the end which world im doing next =) http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1075207371/Mario%20Adventure%20v2.fcm

Posted: 6/21/2007 12:36 PM

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I had a little test on the second level and ended up roughly about 7 frames quicker although I'm pretty sure it possible to gain 4-5 more, I also sacrificed a little at the end for an entertainment opertunity. If you look closely you can see a strange image of Toadstool. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/415089676/Mario%20Adventure%20v2.fcm

Posted: 6/21/2007 3:01 PM

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Chamale

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Kyrsimys wrote:

Through where? Run left to where? Do you mean running when you are inside the wall? If so, that's impossible.

I oppose you. I'll post a video that just does the first level of SMB3, running left through a wall.

Posted: 6/21/2007 3:39 PM

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Kyrsimys

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Wow, great to see a completely new route for World 7. Is the wand grabbed later to manipulate the short fall or something? I wasn't watching very closely, and all I saw was that you grabbed the wand very late. All in all, awesome WIP. And Chamale, I'm very interested in seeing your movie.