Topic by JXQ

Posted: 4/19/2006 4:18 PM

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JXQ

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I might as well post this here, just in case people check here but not the submission thread? Or more to wrap up the discussion of the current run. I'm done! The run is submitted here: http://tasvideos.org/1058S.html Thanks again to everyone who supported my efforts, helped with suggestions and feedback, and all that good stuff.

<Swordless> Go hug a tree, you vegetarian (I bet you really are one)

Posted: 4/19/2006 4:48 PM

Post subject: WIP #1

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OgreSlayeR

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Joined: 7/12/2004
Posts: 524
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I was gonna wait till the first missiles, but screw it. Heres the first WIP at the Morph Ball. I'm currently 330 frames faster than Teri's run. The next WIPs will be at the Supers then Kraid. Edit: For the people who watch with input on, pay attention to the ship landing. :P

Working on: Command and Conquer PSX Nod Campaign

Posted: 4/19/2006 5:09 PM

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Tompa

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Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1934
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I have already seen it, checking the Submitting page a couple of times every day:D. Great stuff!! I'm really impressed! What will be your next run?

Posted: 4/19/2006 8:26 PM

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Bag_of_Magic_Food

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I don't watch other people's movies with input on!

put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude

Posted: 4/19/2006 10:28 PM

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MattyXB

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Joined: 4/23/2005
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Bag of Magic Food wrote:

I don't watch other people's movies with input on!

I do it now in near every movie. Most its useless. But sometimes its funny to see, that some Players just push the buttons at a time where they can't do anything. I think in one other movie from Super Metroid or maybe a GBA Metroid. I see some button pressing to the music in a part where you can do anything else and where the character don't move. So you can miss something, when not watch the input in some movies. ;-)

Last TAS finished: Final Fantasy Adventure (4.0 Warp Glitch Run) WIP in the moment: Tail Gator (GB) Matty

Posted: 4/20/2006 5:08 AM

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Branford

Joined: 1/15/2006
Posts: 6

JXQ wrote:

I might as well post this here, just in case people check here but not the submission thread? Or more to wrap up the discussion of the current run. I'm done! The run is submitted here: http://tasvideos.org/1058S.html Thanks again to everyone who supported my efforts, helped with suggestions and feedback, and all that good stuff.

JXQ, congratulations. You deserve!! Great job! You entered to the history of the game!!

Posted: 4/22/2006 9:32 PM

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Oddity

Joined: 8/1/2004
Posts: 178

So how 'bout that improvement run?

<^>v AB X LR s

Posted: 4/22/2006 9:35 PM

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Fabian

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Joined: 6/15/2005
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I predict the end of time is closer than an improvement run. Of course I've been wrong before.

Zoey Ridin' High <Fabian_> I prett much never drunk

Posted: 4/22/2006 9:53 PM

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moozooh

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I think the other Super Metroid runs should get updated as well, at least before someone (I could consider this man a hero) will try to remake this run from scratch.

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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.

Posted: 4/27/2006 1:16 PM

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Unknown_User

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i was comparing the runs 100% v1-JXQ and v4-Terimakasih to see what differents they had, it occured that JXQ versioen constantly gained time on the and the Terimakasih version without any real improvments i could see. i continued to compare a little more and after a while i got the feeling that JXQ was faster no mather what section it was, even on stages they couldn't affect, like traveling downward and upward the "elevator", if feels like it have less frames to make a visual impression of a faster run even though its not since its speedup. i can be wrong but its the impression i got ^^ i compared situations where they only ran and it was faster there too.

Posted: 4/27/2006 1:22 PM

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moozooh

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Daemon wrote:

i continued to compare a little more and after a while i got the feeling that JXQ was faster no mather what section it was, even on stages they couldn't affect, like traveling downward and upward the "elevator", if feels like it have less frames to make a visual impression of a faster run even though its not since its speedup

The main movement speedup comes from this. Dunno about the elevators though.

Warp wrote:

Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.

Posted: 5/11/2006 4:22 PM

Post subject: Question about Super Metroid

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Heisanevilgenius

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I notice that in all Super Metroid runs on the site, Samus gets three or more energy tanks. Is this only so that she can do her various speed boost tricks and otherwise take damage to save time? In other words, will the giant Metroid and Mother Brain's energy draining attacks kill you if you have less than three energy tanks?

Posted: 5/11/2006 4:23 PM

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BillBull

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Joined: 5/22/2004
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Yes.

Posted: 5/11/2006 4:53 PM

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Highness

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I can't remember if I asked before, but is it power to do a crystal flash to save you even if you have lesser than 3 energy tanks?

Posted: 5/11/2006 4:57 PM

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moozooh

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With only two energy tanks you will have 299 points of energy. MB's attack takes exactly 300 points of energy, and is uninterruptible, so you don't have the ability to do crystal flash in the middle of it.

Warp wrote:

Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.

Posted: 5/11/2006 5:07 PM

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KDR_11k

Joined: 1/23/2006
Posts: 352
Location: Germany

Does the crystal flash stop time? I suppose triggering it before the beam hits wouldn't do anything?

Posted: 5/11/2006 5:07 PM

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Heisanevilgenius

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Okay. Thanks.

Posted: 5/11/2006 5:25 PM

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Saturn

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moozooh wrote:

With only two energy tanks you will have 299 points of energy. MB's attack takes exactly 300 points of energy, and is uninterruptible, so you don't have the ability to do crystal flash in the middle of it.

Thats interesting. I don't think the crystal flash would stop the damage but it could still heal you during the damage of mother beam so you could probably survive it even with 2 tanks (haven't tested though). A CF would require many Ammo items though so it's definitely not worth to use in a speedrun.

See my perfect 100% movie-walkthroughs of the best RPG games on http://www.freewebs.com/saturnsmovies/index.htm Current TAS project (with new videos): Super Metroid Redesign, any% speedrun

Posted: 5/11/2006 6:02 PM

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Nach

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Mother Brain's hyper beam also drains you of all your ammo, so no crystal flash once it's started.

Warning: Opinions expressed by Nach or others in this post do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, or position of Nach himself on the matter(s) being discussed therein.

Posted: 5/11/2006 7:10 PM

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Kejardon

Joined: 8/9/2004
Posts: 123

Mother Brain's attack will interrupt the crystal flash. You must have a minimum of 301 energy all at once in order to survive MB's attack. I've tried a lot of crazy stuff against MB's attack, *nothing* does any good.

kwinse wrote:

Kejardon wrote:
Kriole wrote:
Samus is damaged by a Rinka in the opening.
That's a script action; no damage. ... it just dawned on me I know way too much about SM.
It took THAT to make you realize?

Posted: 5/21/2006 9:17 AM

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Kyrsimys

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Joined: 4/16/2004
Posts: 1286
Location: Finland

If anyone is interested, I've tried to make a 100% walkthrough of Metroid Limit. The problem is, I cannot perform a trick that is required to get all the items. In maridia after getting the plasma beam there is a maze mostly comprised of speed blocks. Here you are supposed to be able to get a blue suit by shinesparking into a certain corridor (according to the walkthrough at least) but I just can't do it. Since there has been no progress in my demonstration run in a month or so, I thought I'd share the movie so far with you. Up to the speed block maze. I must warn you: The movie is only a walkthrough. It is not meant to be frame precise or even just inhumanly accurate. The movie was made mostly for my own entertainment. Also, the bosses are not played with speed in mind. I played some of the bosses in real time and with some I used a little slowdown. I tried to kill Phantoon in one round but due to the shape of the floor, I failed. I might have been able to kill it in two rounds but I just couldn't be bothered and I played the rest of the battle in real time. If anyone knows how to make the blue suit thingie work, please tell me so I can finish my movie. EDIT: Oh, and I'm not even sure if the movie works with anyone but me since I've never tried. Also I've played the game with a ROM that has a bad checksum (but I'm not sure if that can be avoided with this hack).

Posted: 5/21/2006 11:12 AM

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Qlex

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Joined: 2/25/2006
Posts: 193
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I didn't have problems with blue suit, yet I've heard of that problem. If you shinespark and get after that into an elevator, you MUST get blue suit, but I'm not sure if you must take that path after plasma. See here for further help. Oh and good work for the walkthrough :)

Posted: 5/21/2006 4:09 PM

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Kyrsimys

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Joined: 4/16/2004
Posts: 1286
Location: Finland

Thanks for replying, Qlex. I took your ZSnes movie from that thread and tried the blue suit when the movie ended and it worked instantly. I'm afraid it might be impossible to do in Snes9x because clearly I'm not the one doing anything wrong.

Posted: 5/22/2006 4:12 AM

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Bob_A

Joined: 2/12/2006
Posts: 432

The run looks good. Limit is my favourite metroid hack, so I'm especially interested in seeing a tas of this.

Posted: 5/22/2006 5:18 AM

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catnap222

Joined: 2/9/2006
Posts: 41
Location: Japan

hello, Mr.Kyrsimys. your walkthrough looks good, so I want you to continue it. :) Limit author is Japanese, and I have once had a talk with him about this problem. Many people couldn't make blue suit for it, and there is no basic solution. But fortunately, it can be avoided by using other way. That is using the saveroom near the corridor and restart game. If you restart game, you can make blue suit normaly. I don't know the reson. Another way is playing with ZSNES. But I think it doesn't suit your purpose. So I suggest that you go to saveroom and suspend recording the movie and restart the game and start recording again. by the way, why you use grappling beam to Holtz? It seems to have an effect of paralysis, isnt it? and does it work in the original game?