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Hey there, having a slight problem with Gens (and most likely other emulators) when it comes to dumping AVIs in Vista from it.
Basically AVIs that come from it are problematic. If it uncompressed, the AVI seems to have a wrap around effect as demonstrated in the picture below:
In x264 lossless, its just corruption everywhere. Media Player Classic and ffdshow can read the files, but mencoder and VirtualDub really don't like it.
I wouldn't be suprised if it is related to this problem. Just a warning to anyone thinking of getting Vista, and to the maintainers of the rerecording versions of the emulators, perhaps.
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Along with this that people know well:
Which is SUPPOSED to give me permissions, I also get this while trying to fix vista with some good old XP files:
Thanks Vista!
Also, notice how my UI is not using Aero (first pic generously provided by some website and rehosted). This is due to a bug where opening 2 programs that require 16 bit colour and vista basic causes odd behaviour.
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"Cancel" on the bad joke. ; p
Seriously, if the virtualdub.org link you provided is correct, then it means that it's a problem with the Windows API implementation in Vista.
Sadly, the New Emulator Conditions page of the site reads as follows:
It should be possible to create an AVI from the emulator.
If it runs on Windows, it should use the Windows API that allows codec selection.
The problem with not using the API, of course, would be that the AVI encoding routines for each emulator would need to be reprogrammed from scratch.
I have no idea what a viable solution is here.
Edit in response to your second post: it looks like you don't have the administrative access to your computer that you need. I remember reading somewhere that obtaining "true" administrative access with Vista is difficult. I'm sure that searching the web on this point would be helpful, though.
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Deep Loner wrote:
Edit in response to your second post: it looks like you don't have the administrative access to your computer that you need. I remember reading somewhere that obtaining "true" administrative access with Vista is difficult. I'm sure that searching the web on this point would be helpful, though.
From what I understand, "true" administrative access with Vista is root level, which they have virtually buried because the ease of access to root in XP was one of the sources of so many system compromises (ie hacks, virii, malware). I'm by no means a Windows expert, but that's what I've heard of the situation.
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mmbossman wrote:
virii
Viruses.
One of the worst criticisms I've read about the system is that people will eventually be accustomed to clicking "Allow" without thinking, which is the worst thing in the world to do and of course defeats the purpose. I wonder if it would really be that difficult to infect a Vista system if I simply tell users to click "Allow" because every program in the world requires it anyway. Maybe I won't have to tell them anything.
It's a mess, no doubt, and one that won't be easily fixed. Windows PCs tend to get used by unknowledgable, inexperienced people, which is itself the biggest problem with computer security. Like the kind of people who set their firewall software to "allow all traffic" because they don't understand the idea of a firewall and they don't want to be bothered with the popup windows; then they think to themselves, "My computer's secure now that I've got my firewall software installed." Software makers are always trying to work around ignorant users. I can't imagine what would happen if they made cars that way.
I have mixed feelings about "free software", but I respect its quality, and its amazingly knowledgable users who won't let themselves be taken advantage of.
But that's off-topic. : )
Sorry that there's no easy answer to your AVI problem, Raiscan. Hopefully Vista's SP1 will fix the API problem. My only other suggestion is to "dump" the movie (with a lossless codec) on an XP or other computer and then encode it on the Vista machine. Not an easy solution; perhaps not even possible, but... sorry.
Cactuses? Octipodes? No one is writing an editoral here. Therefore, when speaking colloquially, I think the colloquial form wins. I once saw a similar discussion regarding 'mice', 'mouses', and 'pointing devices'.
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Most references works would characterize "virii" as nonstandard rather than colloquial, but it's not that important. I only meant to give a quick FYI, not derail the entire topic.
Mice, not mouses. Cacti and octopi are considered acceptable. I don't know why anyone would have trouble declining pointing device into the plural though. ; p
I don't know why anyone would have trouble declining pointing device into the plural though. ; p
Not to derail the topic any further... but Microsoft (I only know this from friends who work there) has a policy of never using plural of 'mouse' in any documentation, but rather when it's needed, 'pointing devices'. I'm not sure what their stance on 'virus' is though.
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primorial#soup wrote:
Not to derail the topic any further... but Microsoft (I only know this from friends who work there) has a policy of never using plural of 'mouse' in any documentation, but rather when it's needed, 'pointing devices'. I'm not sure what their stance on 'virus' is though.
Well, the topic's already finished anyway: either use another computer or else there's nothing that can be done.
So...
Pointing devices is a smart move because not everyone uses a mouse. Some people use trackballs. Or touchpads. Or those red things on ThinkPads. Or those pen and tablet things that graphics artists use. Or styli (or styluses). Or even touch screens. Someday we might even have a device to track eye movement.
Microsoft knows that using just mouse and mice will increase the support load from customers who use other pointing devices. Like the funny joke about customers who can't find the "any key". Which is funny until it proves to be true.
I always thought the "What's the number for 911?" was a joke until I worked a brief stint as a directory assistance operator. Some customer in Florida actually lectured me that there was another number for 911 (besides 9-1-1), and I'd better find it because he's paying for the call...
Big companies have policies like that because some people just appear to lack common sense.
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Update.
Latest Experimental VirtualDub (1.7.2 @ http://virtualdub.sourceforge.net/) supports loading AVIs with corrupted header (Vista's AVIs) and as such, all my problems are solved. While long winded, I can open any AVI up with VirtualDub, do a direct stream copy, then save it to a new AVI before using mencoder to fondlencode it.
Hope this helps anyone who had the same problem. AFAIK, an actual fix for Vista will be in SP1.
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MikeRS wrote:
I thought the phrase "Linux is more compatible with Windows software than Vista is" was a joke, until I actually saw Vista fail at most things... x_X
This AVI problem only occurs on RTM versions of Vista (Release to Manufacturer). Newer builds of Vista do not seem to have this problem. 90% of my programs used on XP work in Vista.
Interestingly, though newer builds have the problem fixed, older builds are screwed until the SP1 because theres no hotfix :-/
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In x264 lossless, its just corruption everywhere. Media Player Classic and ffdshow can read the files, but mencoder and VirtualDub really don't like it.
I wouldn't be suprised if it is related to this problem. Just a warning to anyone thinking of getting Vista, and to the maintainers of the rerecording versions of the emulators, perhaps.
Which is SUPPOSED to give me permissions, I also get this while trying to fix vista with some good old XP files:
Thanks Vista!
Also, notice how my UI is not using Aero (first pic generously provided by some website and rehosted). This is due to a bug where opening 2 programs that require 16 bit colour and vista basic causes odd behaviour.
