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I don't think you guys should get Flavio. Yes, it's pretty funny, but I think we could just save that for the 100% run if it ever happens. If he really does lag some cutscenes, it seems like it would just be a waste of time.
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We've decided not to get him mainly because Almo, the current WR holder, wanted to see what time the game could get down to. We might plan on routing out 100%, in which we would surely get Flavio.
Previous TASes: Frogger's Adventures: The Rescue Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door any% x 8 Paper Mario 64 Luigi's Mansion Sonic Heroes - Team Sonic Mario Kart Wii ILs
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Please do not do speed/entertainment tradeoffs
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riking wrote:
Here's the highlights from the 100% run
Thanks, though I already posted three of those links. Like I said, we already decided that we're not getting him in this run. We're going for fastest time, and the run will be plenty entertaining without him anyway.
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CoolKirby wrote:
My bad, it wasn't a sidequest. I'll elaborate. Our route sails to Keelhaul Key and gets Bobbery as a partner and then leaves through the blue pipe, which we opened up with the Fish Glitch right before leaving Rogueport. But before leaving Keelhaul Key through the blue pipe, you can take a small detour (which takes about half a minute) to go to the main area of the Key to talk to Flavio about helping open the way to the Pirate's Grotto. At the end of this series of speech bubbles, Flavio joins your party "for a short time!". However, the game programmers never expected you to leave the island with Flavio in your party, so you can freely take him with you through the pipe and throughout the rest of the game. Among the "hilarious results" are Flavio being randomly pasted on the screen in certain cutscenes, following Peach and Bowser, and falling through the credits at the end.
That easily made my day. I'd love to see him in a future 100% run.
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The Flavio trick sounds funny but from how you've described it, it's far from being a TAS-only trick, in fact it doesn't require reflexes at all, let alone superhuman ones. People who want to see this can do it easily for themselves by playing TTYD.
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thatguy wrote:
The Flavio trick sounds funny but from how you've described it, it's far from being a TAS-only trick, in fact it doesn't require reflexes at all, let alone superhuman ones. People who want to see this can do it easily for themselves by playing TTYD.
I owned this game and had no idea. I think this would be hilarious to see in a published run, the massive amount of cutscenes later in the game would be much funnier to watch with him just standing there like a grinning idiot.
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thatguy wrote:
The Flavio trick sounds funny but from how you've described it, it's far from being a TAS-only trick, in fact it doesn't require reflexes at all, let alone superhuman ones. People who want to see this can do it easily for themselves by playing TTYD.
You're right, as long as you can pull off the Fish Glitch (which isn't hard to do), it doesn't require any skill at all to talk to Flavio and have him join you.
Post subject: Run finished and streaming!
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Surprise! The run is finished is currently livestreaming on the Twitch channel of the WR holder, almolicious! We'll be submitting it shortly.
CoolKirby wrote:
Anyway, we've finished the first part of Keelhaul Key.
We had also finished the second part. And all of chapters 5, 6, and 7 and most of chapter 8. So you were not lied to. :P
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Im not sure if you know this already, but during the first time the Shadow Queen becomes invincible, you have to attack her at least once, right? Well, you can save a turn if the audience, or a stage prop manages to attack her. It'll do no damage, but at least it counts as an attempt to attack her.
This turned out to be false. After we finally were able to manipulate a stage prop to fall on her, we found it didn't count as an attack after all.
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CoolKirby wrote:
Surprise! The run is finished is currently livestreaming on the Twitch channel of the WR holder, almolicious! We'll be submitting it shortly.
CoolKirby wrote:
Anyway, we've finished the first part of Keelhaul Key.
We had also finished the second part. And all of chapters 5, 6, and 7 and most of chapter 8. So you were not lied to. :P
0_o Congrats! How did you guys do this so fast?
CoolKirby wrote:
jlun2 wrote:
Im not sure if you know this already, but during the first time the Shadow Queen becomes invincible, you have to attack her at least once, right? Well, you can save a turn if the audience, or a stage prop manages to attack her. It'll do no damage, but at least it counts as an attempt to attack her.
This turned out to be false. After we finally were able to manipulate a stage prop to fall on her, we found it didn't count as an attack after all.
Eh? How did that particular section go again? 1. Becomes Invincible 2. Attack 3. Atack again? 4. End battle and start cutscene Mind showing an encode of what happens if an auidience/prop attacked? I think I had a savefile right before the last boss. I hope something can come out of this. Edit: Uh...I don't have a savefile right before the last boss. Can you please make one from the movie for me?
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Mario or his partner needs to attack her three times after she becomes invincible. Since a stage prop doesn't count as an attack by one of them, the fastest method is to jump with Mario and then have two Bomb Squad bombs explode at two different times to count as the second and third attacks. We don't have an encode of it. We just moved on because it didn't save any time.
Post subject: Re: Run finished and streaming!
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CoolKirby wrote:
Mario or his partner needs to attack her three times after she becomes invincible. Since a stage prop doesn't count as an attack by one of them, the fastest method is to jump with Mario and then have two Bomb Squad bombs explode at two different times to count as the second and third attacks. We don't have an encode of it. We just moved on because it didn't save any time.
Huh. What happens if a stage prop hits her the turn she becomes invincible? (Right after she transforms but before the end of the turn)
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It doesn't make a difference. As soon as she becomes invincible is when you need the three attacks from Mario/partner to hit her.
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CoolKirby wrote:
It doesn't make a difference. As soon as she becomes invincible is when you need the three attacks from Mario/partner to hit her.
:o Well, I'm watching the stream atm. I'm curious to see what happens at the last 3 (4?) chapters.
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Watching the stream now, congrats on finishing the run!
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Congrats :o
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Holy crap! How did you guys finish it so fast?
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Chapter 5 was mostly skipped and 6 and 7 were short, so those went fast. We mostly worked on Chapter 8 and getting the best luck manipulation during the Shadow Queen battle.
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Great work. Submit it soon!
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We will! Right after the stream is done.
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CoolKirby wrote:
Chapter 5 was mostly skipped and 6 and 7 were short, so those went fast. We mostly worked on Chapter 8 and getting the best luck manipulation during the Shadow Queen battle.
Is that the only part that requires heavy luck manipulation? If so, maybe those beam animations could be cancelled so that Almo would stop cringing. :P
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The whole run required luck manipulation. The RNG runs all the time, and advances different amounts of time depending on what's going on, so all the rooms and battles after going back and fixing the beams would have to be individually resynced (basically redoing a good part of the run).
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She's sad that the run's over. Anyways, that last battle was amazing! :o
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submission incoming :D
Warning: Might glitch to credits I will finish this ACE soon as possible (or will I?)
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I prepare to vote YES
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