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Posted: 6/17/2009 11:07 PM

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sixofour wrote:

2+6=8. Sure we can all "agree" that it is.

Yes, because you used one of the languages of logic. With mathematic equations you don't make any claims about something in the real world, only within the system of logic. If I put 2+6 humans in a cell (with enough water and food) and wait, there might suddenly be more than 8. Maybe less. If I put 2 + 6 molecules somewhere, there might suddenly be more or less than 8. 2+6 still equals 8, but that's only undisputably true within the system of logic/maths.

Posted: 6/17/2009 11:54 PM

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sixofour wrote:

...they were too busy having egos...

<Kyman> sixofour, are you saying you're better then (than?) everyone else? <sixofour> kyman, better than most people here <sixofour> yes

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Posted: 6/17/2009 11:58 PM

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sixofour has been educated stupid

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:43 AM

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An ego is when you claim to be better than someone when you aren't. I actually am better. Though resentment to your superiors is expected. Edit: Lol adekilat is so resenting that he kicked me from IRC. Pathetic. Its funny how people don't relize there is an invisable caste system.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:50 AM

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How exactly are you better?

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:52 AM
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I'm coming here providing simple logical functions, and people outright reject them. It makes me better, because I understand them, and others don't. The seperation of laymen and intellectuals.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:52 AM

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sixofour wrote:

There cannot be an infinite number of changes before this one. That is a logical, undebatable fact.

I disagree. People have a different logic. For me, what you're saying sounds illogical. But I don't find infinite regress illogical.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:54 AM

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Oh, I thought Sixofour was referring to Zeno's Paradox at first.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:54 AM

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nfq then you are alone in that. People can [moral relativism] pick and choose methods of thought that they "feel" is right all they want, it doesn't change the fact that there is a universal truth that one is right, and the rest are wrong. Because you cannot have two or more opposing views and they both be correct.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:54 AM

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sixofour wrote:

I'm coming here providing simple logical functions, and people outright reject them. It makes me better, because I understand them, and others don't. The seperation of laymen and intellectuals.

That's like saying if someone understood C++ and someone didn't, the person that did is a better person.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:58 AM
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In that regard. That person is better...at understanding programming and what entails it. When it comes to logic, you are talking about the rules of reasoning that are set in stone. The infallable rules we know to be. The rules that mathmatics require in order to exist. The one that doesn't grasp it, is severly hindered in everything that they do. While the one who understands them has a much greater advantage. These guys like Socrotes and Aristotle [the two men most of the west looks up to when it comes to reasoning and logic] didn't invent or discover anything new. They mearly explained what was there. And what they are refering to is the same thing I am refering to.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 1:59 AM

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sixofour wrote:

much greater advantage.

They have an "advantage", but it does not mean that they are a better person.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 2:02 AM

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Isn't a person who is intelligent, and able to understand advanced concepts, and able to understand the truth about things. Better than the layman who doesn't, and contributes nothing to the world.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 2:04 AM

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Are you saying if you don't understand logic, you contibute nothing to the world?

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Posted: 6/18/2009 2:06 AM

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sixofour wrote:

I'm coming here providing simple logical functions, and people outright reject them. It makes me better, because I understand them, and others don't.

Wow, you sound almost as arrogant as I do sometimes. I wonder what your horoscope is.

sixofour wrote:

nfq then you are alone in that. People can [moral relativism] pick and choose methods of thought that they "feel" is right all they want, it doesn't change the fact that there is a universal truth that one is right, and the rest are wrong. Because you cannot have two or more opposing views and they both be correct.

I think opposing views can be correct. For example: evolution and creation are of opposing views. But they could both be partially right. eg. maybe God used the process of evolution to create us.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 2:07 AM

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I'm reminded of an old saying (greatly paraphrased): "A rich man doesn't need to tell you he is rich. A beautiful woman doesn't need to inform you of her beauty. A smart man doesn't need to tell you he is intelligent. When we are in the presence of such people, we just know." And, also "Don't argue with a fool. He will bring you down to his level, and beat you with experience."

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Posted: 6/18/2009 2:07 AM
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Well, this does beg the question... What "logic" are you presenting here? Edit: And by this, I mean, what was the line of thinking you presented about an issue? Don't say, "I used good logic," say, "I said this, the reason being this." Although why am I even bothering? Kobold is right.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 2:11 AM

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If you don't understand basic logic how can you? You can't be an engineer, you can't [well, yes, some people are] be a scientist. One could probably be a philosopher, but a lot of good that will do. But most people use logic. I mean, obviously the people here who disagree with me, are using some kind of coherent logical system to come to the conclusion that I am wrong about [what was the arguement about again?] something. The real issue likely has to do with the terminology used. And everyones ideas about those terms. And some people are probably just arrogant. But trying to explain that is pretty fail in any arguement. That and I am dealing with people who want to appear on the winning side or who want to appear like they have knowledge. [Hence the Sophist reference] Also, many people probably see this as a "heated debate" and get all uppity and excited. And will see my posts as confrontational. Ferret, So far I gather people have a problem with my position that there is a universal unfallable system of reasoning. That doesn't require exprimentation or observation, to know. The same people are probably pro-evolution. Since the idea that humans had no ability to reason, then gained it later, fits in with the theory of evolution. [and they will no doubt acredit our ability to reason with Aristotle or the like] Its your typical western eurocentric mentality and mindset. DarkKobold: Knowledgable person. For you, that means someone with a degree. How enlightening.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 2:43 AM

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Since this has turned into the "Ask sixofour" thread, and amazingly hasn't been split into it's own deserving entity, I have an honest question: Dear sixofour, what does your logic and intuition tell you is the best way to rehabilitate a 19 year old female soccer player who is 6 weeks status post anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction on her left knee using a hamstring graft? By "best", I mean fastest return to pre-surgical condition with minimization of risk of graft failure?

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Posted: 6/18/2009 2:54 AM

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sixofour wrote:

The seperation of laymen and intellectuals.

Good job on spelling laymen right, but I'm still goddamn better at spelling than you.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 3:03 AM

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mmbossman wrote:

Since this has turned into the "Ask sixofour" thread, and amazingly hasn't been split into it's own deserving entity, I have an honest question: Dear sixofour, what does your logic and intuition tell you is the best way to rehabilitate a 19 year old female soccer player who is 6 weeks status post anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction on her left knee using a hamstring graft? By "best", I mean fastest return to pre-surgical condition with minimization of risk of graft failure?

Ask doctor frankenstien ^^

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Posted: 6/18/2009 3:13 AM

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No, I asked you. I want to know what your intuition and logic tells you when asked the above question.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 3:17 AM

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I think for the most part western medicine is pretty crappy. What does that tell you? Of course, trying to show something complex, but without the need for logic. Doesn't disprove my point. For the most part how to fix the body is something you can't deduce from logic. Nor is color. But it does require logic to build a system of connecting symptoms to ailments, and diagnosing them. If A is smaller than B, and B is smaller than C, then C is absolutly larger than A. Nice try though.

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Posted: 6/18/2009 3:22 AM

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best troll ever man i'm sorry everybody

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Posted: 6/18/2009 3:25 AM

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Lol, trolling. You are the one jumping in and only commenting on my typing.

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