Here are two interesting suggestions to consider.
Bisqwit, cut the offtopic (the last ~3 pages) into a separate thread.
AKA, instead of going into a defensive stance as a gang-up victim (that's Phil's prerogative), improve your English already. So far no other native speaker here makes as many mistakes as you do; in fact, most non-native speakers here make much less mistakes. Thus, it is inevitable that you're going to be mocked for that reason, since many of your posts (quoted previously by me and others) are actually incomprehensible, especially for non-natives who just can't grasp the original meaning behind the words like "incompreshable", "embassed", and "comerate". This is your responsibility to write in a coherent manner, fyi, and Bisqwit has all the rights to point that out to you.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
On which discussion is carried out. Using grammar.
This isn't about nitpicking whether to put a question mark within quotes or after the quotes. This is about making yourself understandable to begin with.
To be fair, it's not like everything that AKA writes is complete gibberish.
That's true. But as indicated by his last post here, completely missing a point and replying with something completely unrelated is not any better at all.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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moozooh wrote:
So far no other native speaker here makes as many mistakes as you do
You know I'm gonna remember this ;-)
And to AKA most people, there's nothing wrong with proof reading or spell checking your posts, you have all the time in the world to make a post. It's not unusual to change what you've written every few lines just for clarity or to reword something all together
Hmm... This topic is... Well...
Crap xD
I mean... I'm from Germany... and im sure i make a lot
more mistakes than AKA... And imho...
The main thing is that you can understand him...
Wheater there are grammer mistakes or not...
Allthough this is just my opinion... But it's a little bit cruel to
hack on AKA because of some grammer mistakes oO
1. The notion that you make more mistakes than someone else is in no way good. Which means it will be good if you work on it.
2. You are not a native speaker, so making mistakes that don't pertain to the lack of proofreading is naturally more forgivable to you (yet, you are encouraged to improve your English).
3. "The main thing is that you can understand him" is not always true, and this is where I say: "lurk more".
[EDIT]
Decided to elaborate further.
I would like to once again stress the fact that TASvideos is an international community, with numerous active members from countries like Japan, China, Finland, Brazil, France, Germany (as in your case), Russia (as in mine), and so on. Many of them don't have a good enough grasp of English to post often, but the fluent speakers' responsibility is to make themselves clear so that these people would be able to understand them and contribute.
Personally, I have studied English (largely thanks to this forum, as well) to the extent of being able to decipher most mistakes and misspellings, even if some of them take some time to. But I can't guarantee that someone who is worse than me at English would be able to understand some of the examples I listed above. And if you care enough to be more active, you will see this issue arising pretty much every second time there is a discussion involving any of such people.
I'm not asking anyone to post in pristine clear English, and I'm not indulging anyone for their mistakes. It just really is kind of sad when you see members like klmz, zggzdydp, xipo, and gocha gradually and noticeably improve their English (even though their native languages are nowhere near English in grammar and syntax), while natives like AKA aren't even willing to spend a shred of an effort to proofread their posts. There is no "elitist bickering" here; it's just common courtesy to not post like a pre-teen if you're about 20 years old. So AKA gets exactly what he deserves in every such case.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
I'm not asking anyone to post in pristine clear English, and I'm not indulging anyone for their mistakes. It just really is kind of sad when you see members like klmz, zggzdydp, xipo, and gocha gradually and noticeably improve their English (even though their native languages are nowhere near English in grammar and syntax), while natives like AKA aren't even willing to spend a shred of an effort to proofread their posts. There is no "elitist bickering" here; it's just common courtesy to not post like a pre-teen if you're about 20 years old. So AKA gets exactly what he deserves in every such case.
Nobody here cares about the language. Hell, it isn't even taught very well; it's all about "literature" and "writing" (essays and the like), very little on language syntax and proofreading and all that shit.
Vincent from Web Pages That Suck seems to have similar ideas:
November 29th, 2007 10:10 pm by Vincent Flanders
Submitter’s comments: I read your site for ages and posted some comments but never suggested any site for your “horror gallery.” But the one I found today decided me to send you an email.
This is an industrial design agency web site and I think they wanted to make something “special” to illustrate their “creativity” skills. Click on any of the home page links : on each page of the site you have to ask yourself “what can I do,” “where can I click,” “Is this a link?” “What if I move the mouse over this?” I’m sure you will appreciate…
Excuse me for my poor English, this is not my natural language.
Vincent Flanders’ comments: I left the submitter’s comments pretty much as they were. It always amazes me when someone from another country apologizes for their “poor” English. I would be thrilled to be this “bad” in Spanish, German, French, or any other language. Heck, there are teachers here in America who would be thrilled if their students wrote like this.
Well, in my experience it still boils down to personal effort over the circumstances. I've been out of practice for several years, and my English severely degenerated as a result. As soon as I started to actively communicate over the internet, my writing skill only kept improving (now to do the same with verbal, and it will be totally awesome). So poor education is never a good excuse to worsen the posts you make, unless worsening them is the whole point.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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People are taking this thread too seriously. This is a dumb thread. People in this thread are dumb. This included me. People taking this thread seriously are dumb and pathetic.
The only person this doesn't apply to is mooz-magooz:
moozooh wrote:
Well, in my experience it still boils down to personal effort
This explains the whole internet (if not communications as a whole) very succinctly. A++ would read again.
Honestly, you guys are ruining Off Topic by trying to turn it in to the next General Chat at SDA...
As for me when machine translation the back section is used for another ones from one language with those, the bad my post how obtains, thinking to doubt.
"I wonder how bad my posts would get if I used machine translation on them", more or less. Who cares?
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and like moozooh wrote:
I would like to once again stress the fact that TASvideos is an international community, with numerous active members from countries like Japan, China, Finland, Brazil, France, Germany (as in your case), Russia (as in mine), and so on.(...)
I believe it's safe to assume that most guys here are BI.
...bilingual...
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
I would like to once again stress the fact that TASvideos is an international community, with numerous active members from countries like Japan, China, Finland, Brazil, France, Germany (as in your case), Russia (as in mine), and so on.
I believe it's safe to assume that most guys here are bilingual.
I would actually be rather doubtful of that fact. Maybe more than most places, but I'd still have a hard time believing that it's over 50%.
oops I fixed your quote how bad of me
I'm not a native speaker and I love AKAs grammar mistakes! I wouldn't want him to change. He makes some kinds of mistakes I had never seen anywhere before and this actually helps me to improve my English (!). F.e. he used 'must of' instead of 'must have'. I'd imagine to hear this a lot in spoken English and for the next time when I hear it, I will already know what it means.
I also hadn't known that 'although' can be used as a universal linking word as it has been illustrated [URL=http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=102292&highlight=#102292]here[/URL] quite well. (Fortunately he never edits his posts)
'Spefically' is also one of my favourite words ever, lol. Yes, I'm an AKA fanboy. ;)
Oh, and I'd also like to thank other forum members for pointing out his mistakes that I would have overread otherwise. You rock.
