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mussolini wrote:
Suggest a resolution:
Restore the poll as it was
Restore the poll, but remove newbie restriction (fully accessible)
Restore poll, but make results only viewable to judges
Restore poll, with only-judges results access, but publicize it when the movie is judged -> easily predictable, all the judges will go for this one. This poll is a waste of time.No poll. But add "post <vote_type> post" buttons to where the poll was. <- this one is the only good option, but no one will admit it until it's too late
No poll. No buttons. Add a text urging one to post!
No poll. No buttons. Nothing.
Other option? Suggest an option, and it will be added. (Votes will be reset, and you can vote again in this poll.)
No poll, but enable rating for submissions like it is for publications.
No poll, but ratings, but individual ratings are kept secret until judging.
Please add the following to start of tihs poll:
Judges can't vote!
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Bisqwit wrote:
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it's up there, written in RED.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
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Yeah, I saw that. You don't exactly give much support to your argument though. Care to actually back it up with some sort of facts, logic, or examples?
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pirate_sephiroth wrote:
Restore poll, with only-judges results access, but publicize it when the movie is judged -> easily predictable, all the judges will go for this one. This poll is a waste of time.
Except that 2 out of 3 active judges have weighed in and neither have voted for this. And at least 1 (me) has mentioned being against this very concept.
Except that 2 out of 3 active judges have weighed in and neither have voted for this. And at least 1 (me) has mentioned being against this very concept.
Doesn't that kind of put a stigma against it?
Judges are the ones most benefitted by the system; if they all dislike the potential change, it doesn't seem likely that it will be added...
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Xkeeper wrote:
Judges are the ones most benefitted by the system;
Exactly. If it's not them, then who the heck is voting for that?
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Judges are the ones most benefitted by the system;
Exactly. If it's not them, then who the heck is voting for that?
My guess is everybody else due to a percieved 'witchhunting of no-voters'.
My solution would just be to tell those who harass no-voters to knock it off. Allow "Why'd you vote no?" and, of course, discussion of their ideas and points, but not of plain old harassment how-could-you-vote-no-you-heartless-bastard type crap.
...but that's pretty much the extent of my ideas. I'd think a lot of people found the voting being shown useful -- for example, I used it to determine if a run was worth watching (if it had a small amount of votes or a lot of unsure/meh ones.)
The unfortunate thing about changing it at all is that it leaves some people unhappy.
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Hey, from 34 votes, 13 go for that freaking option!
Is that normal??
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Let's say someone votes no on a popular submission. Then it is published and the votes are displayed. At that point, wouldn't someone then demand to know who voted no?
I would do exactly what I've done in the past few threads where this has already come up: Tell them to stop whining, because their run got published, which was the end goal anyway.
Well, who voted no might not be that important, but I think it's perfectly ok to be interested why someone voted no.
I also think that some people might vote because they saw the current voting results, and I don't see anything wrong with that either actually... they would still just give their opinion by voting.
And I'd still like to hear a good reason why it's a good thing if I can't see the votes while I'm interested in seeing them (=before it's judged)?
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Baxter wrote:
I also think that some people might vote because they saw the current voting results, and I don't see anything wrong with that either actually... they would still just give their opinion by voting.
Yeah, that's a good reason for hiding the votes, but that would also be more or less implemented by the "post <vote_type> post" buttons.
The guy would have to go through ALL the pages in the thread to find out which one is winning.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
I also think that some people might vote because they saw the current voting results, and I don't see anything wrong with that either actually... they would still just give their opinion by voting.
I also think that some people might vote because they saw the current voting results, and I don't see anything wrong with that either actually... they would still just give their opinion by voting.
Yeah, that's a good reason for hiding the votes
Why?
I think for the same reason that some districts in the US prevent people from wearing canidate-themed clothing/aparrel into voting areas -- to prevent people from seeing "Well, everybody voted <vote>, I will too." or something similar.
Not that I agree with this notion, but it is what I understood of it.
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Because some people would just see 70 yes votes and 5 no votes and think "well, I didn't find anything special in it, but why would I be among the losers?"
YES vote for you!
And vice versa
If you really need to hide the votes that badly, then simply keep the old system but show the results only AFTER voting... (remove the "view results" link)
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
I don't get why they would vote yes if they didn't like the run, just because there were many yes votes... but maybe that's just me. Your argument rests on the assumption that most of the TASvideos members are stupid.
What I meant, by "people voting because they see the current results", is stating their opinion because the votes are really close, which I don't think is a bad thing.
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Anyway, I wonder who would go to the "published movies" thread just to check the number of votes. (except for the player)
For all that I care, if it's published I won't touch it anymore.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Anyway, I wonder who would go to the "published movies" thread just to check the number of votes. (except for the player)
Wondering the same. I personally couldn't care less about the votes after the publication... seeing them before the the movie is judged is somewhat interesting though.
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Baxter wrote:
Your argument rests on the assumption that most of the TASvideos members are stupid.
Actually, this argument started the request for the change...
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Think about how it was when you where at school and the teacher asked everyone to do a hand vote on something. Sometimes only one or two persons raise there hands. What do they do when they realize they where the only people to do that?
They usually lower there hands and keep quite. Well, I did
Think about how it was when you where at school and the teacher asked everyone to do a hand vote on something. Sometimes only one or two persons raise there hands. What do they do when they realize they where the only people to do that?
They usually lower there hands and keep quite. Well, I did
How is this related to anything? Does this mean people will vote yes even though they didn't like the movie???
But for what it's worth, the teacher should ask "Who doesn't know the answer to this question?"
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There's a new question:
Who was the SMARTASS that tried to took advantage of the situation and came up with this stupid idea of hiding the votes?
Do you remember what started this request for a change?
IT WAS THE DUMB GUYS WHO VOTE (especially "NO") AND DON'T JUSTIFY THEIR REASONS!
And as Baxter said:
"well hiding the votes won't make people justify their vote at all"
all I see is people choosing sides and asking for reasons but I BET you didn't want to know that.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
