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Snes9x v1.43 is rather old. v1.51 has had many significant improvements to it in terms of emulation accuracy, particularly in regards to sound.
When v1.51 was first released, it has some determinism issues from getting a new sound core and other changes, but work by gocha and others has solved all these problems long ago.
Now that v1.51 is a completely viable option, older less accurate versions of Snex9x will no longer be allowed. Get your build here.
Certain parts of certain games may be slower in the more accurate versions, but runs should not be focusing on exploiting emulation bugs, as they are currently.
As older versions are harder to maintain, unwittingly violate our rules, and produce bad sound for certain games, we will be rejecting all runs submitted that were created using v1.43, starting next year.
You have until December 31 2009 23:59 GMT to complete any runs you have started using v1.43, no exceptions will be made, unless you have been granted a continuance on your existing run.
If you feel you have a long run that already had a lot of work put into it, and will need a while to be completed, you may request a continuance in this thread. We will accept continuances until December 15 2009 23:59 GMT.
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adelikat wrote:
This is a bad idea.
Time will tell.
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from what I've heard both 1.43 and 1.51 are inaccurate in different ways
are we meant to be attracted to an arbitrarily higher number or something
why not wait for 1.52
Or just continue using nigh-universally accepted 1.43, which I thought had been proven several times over to be more accurate in regards to timing with the actual hardware than 1.52.
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LagDotCom wrote:
from what I've heard both 1.43 and 1.51 are inaccurate in different ways
are we meant to be attracted to an arbitrarily higher number or something
why not wait for 1.52
The version number is irrelevant.
v1.5x+ has a new sound core and a new renderer which is much more accurate than previous versions of Snes9x. Not to mention a slew of other changes, which you can read here.
We've been dragging our feet long enough with allowing our second oldest emulator to still be used.
You can use v1.51, or v1.52 when it comes out. I just want to discontinue v1.43, as the emulation inaccuracies are pretty bad in some cases. The sound in the Mega Man X series for example is especially horrid using Snes9x v1.43, people should be using newer emulators for newer runs.
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Realistically, this is going to actually get out of hand only in case 1.51 still has desync issues 1.43 doesn't. Otherwise people have been provided with options that will let them not lose their work already done on 1.43.
The problem is that we will only be able to test it during the creation of a TAS, which might mean a loss of work…
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I understand the need for progress, but this has been dealt with in exactly the wrong way: no member feedback requested, a much too short deadline, and no itemized list of differences that would serve to make the public more aware of why 1.51 may or may not be better to use. If this continues as it appears on the path it currently is (judging on IRC comments), you will lose a lot of potential and current TASers.
This look like a great step forward to me.
All I've seen so far from people who opposes this is "This is a bad idea.", but they can't even explain why. Nach has given enough reasons to do this.
mmbossman also said on IRC: "if you're going to suddenly cut support for an emulator because it has sound problems, cut pscx and just start using psx, since it's so much better than what we have now", and he's right. That has been the plan since the beginning. The only difference is that pSX is closed source, and its author never added any TAS-related tool.
Maybe some of the people who say v1.43 is better than v1.51 could explain why they think like that and inform the rest.
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
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mz wrote:
This look like a great step forward to me.
All I've seen so far from people who opposes this is "This is a bad idea.", but they can't even explain why. Nach has given enough reasons to do this.
Thank you for your support. That's the same issue I'm seeing.
mz wrote:
Maybe some of the people who say v1.43 is better than v1.51 could explain why they think like that and inform the rest.
Please bring such a discussion to the new thread.
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