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A-M wrote:
Well done SoulCal ! For the final fight, my last and fastest strat is to fire a killer7 bullet in the left eye to stun the boss, fire a second bullet in the main eye laying on the ground and a rocket. With this strat you can cross the bridge before it goes down. Unfortunately you don't have enough money to buy the Killer7, maybe you should take the 50.000 pesetas of U3...
Well, how much health does the last boss have in the TAS? Maybe a broken butterfly may work.
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jlun2 wrote:
Well, how much health does the last boss have in the TAS? Maybe a broken butterfly may work.
3 shots from the Broken Butterfly, then a RL will kill him. I redid it and managed a 1:35:14, for an improvement of 9 seconds. I am currently encoding the video, and will have it up in the next day or so.
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SoulCal wrote:
jlun2 wrote:
Well, how much health does the last boss have in the TAS? Maybe a broken butterfly may work.
3 shots from the Broken Butterfly, then a RL will kill him. I redid it and managed a 1:35:14, for an improvement of 9 seconds. I am currently encoding the video, and will have it up in the next day or so.
Wait....kill? You mean you skipped the Ada cutscene? Awesome!
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SoulCal wrote:
jlun2 wrote:
Well, how much health does the last boss have in the TAS? Maybe a broken butterfly may work.
3 shots from the Broken Butterfly, then a RL will kill him. I redid it and managed a 1:35:14, for an improvement of 9 seconds. I am currently encoding the video, and will have it up in the next day or so.
Alright, so I realized I didn't have to be a moron and could look on YT for a video... so yeah. Before you get onto the Jet Ski, you activate the Ditman glitch and then hop on. Leon will then zoom forward on an invisible jet ski for a few seconds. It will zap 1-2 seconds of your savings, but the trade off is too priceless to ignore! Mr. Kelly R. Flewin
Mr. Kelly R. Flewin Just another random gamer ---- <OmnipotentEntity> How do you people get bored in the span of 10 seconds? Worst ADD ever.
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Mr. Kelly R. Flewin wrote:
Alright, so I realized I didn't have to be a moron and could look on YT for a video... so yeah. Before you get onto the Jet Ski, you activate the Ditman glitch and then hop on. Leon will then zoom forward on an invisible jet ski for a few seconds. It will zap 1-2 seconds of your savings, but the trade off is too priceless to ignore! Mr. Kelly R. Flewin
But wouldn't that be sort of....out of place? I mean, for the majority of the run, it's focused on being as fast as possible.
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jlun2 wrote:
But wouldn't that be sort of....out of place? I mean, for the majority of the run, it's focused on being as fast as possible.
There have been other comedic moments in the run, this is just another one.. also adds and goes along to the "WTF?!?" motif. Of course it's not our choice to make and I am fine which ever way it goes. Mr. Kelly R. Flewin
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I am uploading my entire TAS to YouTube right now, but will take a while. And I hate to sound like a whining bitch, but...after reading this post I don't really want to submit my run now for a few reasons: 1. Whenever I see a run uploaded (on any channel), I often see in the comments things such as "wow, you are good" or "hey, your TAS is awesome." etc. Uploading to a secondary channel gives the false impression the uploader is the author of said TAS. Even in my console verification videos, I constantly have people say to me "Hey SoulCal, you're good at playing this game." I don't want to take credit for the work the SM64 crew did, but people still think I am the author, even when I have clear as day in the title of the video "authors in the description." 2. I would be fine with having the site have my run uploaded to TASVideosChannel, but if submitted I would prefer the link to be to my upload. The run uploaded to the TASVideos channel should be set to private, and should really only serve as a backup in case something happens to my YouTube account. This wouldn't violate the decision of "all new published movies must have an encode on the Official TASVideosChannel," as long as the run is set to private. 3. There are exceptions to the rule, which seems to make the rule rather arbitrary. Unless these runs are set to private, I do not see them on TASVideosChannel. I'd like to also point out I'm not saying this due to YouTube monetization or getting video views. In fact, I cannot even monetize Resident Evil 4, because Capcom claims copyright to some of the cutscenes, and I have actually received a strike on my account for my previous WIP for the Krauser knife cutscene (which is why the private link backup explained in #2 would be a good idea). I'm saying this because there seems to always be confusion about "who made what" when most people assume the uploader is the author. I don't want people thinking some guy named "TASVideosChannel" is the speedrunner, cause that belittles the 100s of hours I put into this. EDIT:Another argument I have against this policy is that I began the run back in July 2011, a full year before this policy was intact.
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Regarding reason number 1: Let the ignorant people live in their little ignorant bubbles. The ones who are aware of what things really are, are all laughing at them silently inside. It isn't really your fault if they are too lazy or stupid to read the title or description of your video. Nothing great was ever achieved by listening to the negativity crowd. I cannot offer any input on reason 2 or 3 though.
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Yeah, #3 is true. Not much I can say really; I'm not too involved with publishing TASes anymore. #2 has been bantered around before, it's certainly not a bad idea.
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1. I agree with Warepire 2. How about a compromise? The one in the TASVideosChannel would not be linked to, but still be public, while the movie page links to yours. Why not private/unlisted? Well, what's the point of uploading to that channel if noone knows it exists? So with this compromise, hopefully your run will get more views since the one on the TASVideos channel requires people to actually look it up instead of simply going to the movie page. 3. Idk, but I still don't get how they managed to monetize gameplay videos yet I can't. Oh well. :P
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I can partially agree with jlun2 and Warepire. Warepire does bring up a point that if people are too lazy to read then we can all silently laugh at them. However, while good things don't come from encouraging the negativity crowd, encouraging ignorance never really helped either... We would need something like a big disclaimer to put at the beginning of every video, and possibly somewhere a few minutes after the run begins with text blocking part of the screen to indicate who made the run, and how to link to the TASvideos site...oh, wait, we already do those, and people STILL ignore them. :p jlun2, a compromise would be a great idea...but I don't see why I should compromise when other TASers didn't. The post says "Everyone's TASes will be more visible under this new arrangement," which is simply not true. I can be fairly certain that having the TAS on my (or on MrGrunz,sonicpacker,etc) YouTube pages would be more beneficial to the site, because we can get more views than TVC would.The only reason I see those exceptions existing is because those runs are uploaded on more popular channels, thus get more views, which brings more people to the site. Thus, the site benefits from the exceptions. TVC has 5000 subs, but most videos barely get over a few hundred views. Even if all 5000 subs viewed the TAS on TVC, there's not benefit to the site, cause most of those 5000 already know what TVC is, so no one new is visiting. The reason I suggest the video being labeled as private is as a backup. And honestly, that's pretty much all the TVC is, a backup of runs on the site. I had to un-sub because 1/2 my feed was nothing but [Obsolete TAS]. I think the TVC should only exist to host runs where the author is incapable of doing so himself; doesn't have an account, or if they still have the file size / time limit restrictions.
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SoulCal wrote:
The only reason I see those exceptions existing is because those runs are uploaded on more popular channels, thus get more views, which brings more people to the site.
I can think of more reasons, but if what you said is true, isn't that unfair? Just because a TASer is less well known doesn't mean that they don't deserve to have their videos linked too. Oh well, at least being (relatively) low profile have its own perks (for me at least). :P Btw, I can't exactly do much about the TVC because I don't manage it.
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I didn't even know that there was a rule made. The most enjoying part of TASing for me is watching the view count on my YouTube account when I post a WIP or TAS. Fight the power SoulCal.
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VanillaCoke wrote:
The most enjoying part of TASing for me is watching the view count on my YouTube account when I post a WIP or TAS.
I couldn't care less about my view count. I just want the recognition for what I did since I put a couple hundred hours into making this run. I don't want people thinking someone else made it. And here's my complete TAS Link to video
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SoulCal wrote:
VanillaCoke wrote:
The most enjoying part of TASing for me is watching the view count on my YouTube account when I post a WIP or TAS.
I couldn't care less about my view count. I just want the recognition for what I did since I put a couple hundred hours into making this run. I don't want people thinking someone else made it.
If your only concern is recognition then a compromise during the encoding process could very likely be made. Perhaps a super logo (advertises TASVideos, identifies the author and rerecord count) or a second logo at the start of the encode listing your alias as the author and some stats about the TAS. It would be short enough that skipping wouldn't become a thought, but long enough to clearly communicate and establish yourself as the author. Everyone could be happy between it being uploaded to TVC and no case of mistaken identity. Also, it seems unlikely that a YouTube account named the "TASVideosChannel" could be mistaken for the creation of a TAS. The name communicates instantly that it's an account with videos from a site called TASVideos. Just to back it up, I skimmed the comments of a couple of random videos and didn't see anyone praising TASVideosChannel for his/her/it's play. As you said yourself, everyone who is subscribed to the TVC is already associated with the site or familiar with the operations of it, so they're not the ones who would make that mistake. So if it's really just a matter of recognition then you shouldn't have any worries. Also, I loved the finished run. Congratulations on completing it and hopefully you'll submit.
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VanillaCoke wrote:
If your only concern is recognition then a compromise during the encoding process could very likely be made. Perhaps a super logo (advertises TASVideos, identifies the author and rerecord count) or a second logo at the start of the encode listing your alias as the author and some stats about the TAS. It would be short enough that skipping wouldn't become a thought, but long enough to clearly communicate and establish yourself as the author. Everyone could be happy between it being uploaded to TVC and no case of mistaken identity.
But we already have both a logo appearing before every video, and a notice stating the author and rerecord count a few minutes in. Making it a "super logo" would just piss people off.
VanillaCoke wrote:
Also, it seems unlikely that a YouTube account named the "TASVideosChannel" could be mistaken for the creation of a TAS. The name communicates instantly that it's an account with videos from a site called TASVideos.
Remember, this is the internet, where people don't use logic. :p
VanillaCoke wrote:
So if it's really just a matter of recognition then you shouldn't have any worries.
It's not just a matter of recognition, that's just 1 reason. It just seems absurd to me to allow someone (the TVC) to post MY material, that I spent 200+ hours creating. I don't care about the views, but I do care about feedback and comments left on my work, and I shouldn't have to check another YouTube channel to respond to people that have questions or are interested. Besides, allowing the site to host my material, but having the encode be on my YouTube page does nothing but bring more people to the site, so TASvideos benefits, especially with a game as popular as RE4. Having two encodes on two channels just divides the community, which is something we all want to avoid. That's the best reason I can see us having those exceptions I mentioned, because the site benefits FAR more with other, more popular, names on YouTube like Grunz or sonicpacker. But also consider this: let's say TVC uploads my TAS, and they get 1000 subs from it. Why do people sub to channels? Because they like that specific content! If they subbed for RE4, but afterwards no more RE4 content arrives, then people de-sub, and they lose interest in the channel (and the site). That's why I de-subbed from TVC, cause I saw nothing but a large influx of TASes I cared nothing about. Having specialized channels with specific content has people coming back for more.
VanillaCoke wrote:
Also, I loved the finished run. Congratulations on completing it and hopefully you'll submit.
Glad to create it, but hope improvements will be made in the future, or maybe something like Assignment Ada.
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@SoulCal can you upload 60Hz framerate version for offline viewing? still loved this TAS as it is. one of best TAS videos ever!
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CobraSmurf wrote:
@SoulCal can you upload 60Hz framerate version for offline viewing? still loved this TAS as it is. one of best TAS videos ever!
The game is 30fps, not 60. Idk where to upload a video for offline viewing.
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VanillaCoke wrote:
Also, it seems unlikely that a YouTube account named the "TASVideosChannel" could be mistaken for the creation of a TAS. The name communicates instantly that it's an account with videos from a site called TASVideos.
Remember, this is the internet, where people don't use logic. :p
Well, tbh, when there's people who are that dumb to mistakenly believe that TASVideosChannel is a person instead of a group, then there's probably people who are also ignorant of who made the run regardless if it was posted on your channel or not. :P
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jlun2 wrote:
Well, tbh, when there's people who are that dumb to mistakenly believe that TASVideosChannel is a person instead of a group, then there's probably people who are also ignorant of who made the run regardless if it was posted on your channel or not. :P
But if posted on the creator's channel, and only the creator's channel, there's 0 chance of mistaken authorship. Otherwise when people search for a TAS yet see multiple uploads, it gets confusing. It's annoying enough to search for a TAS, and have the same one pop upon on 2 accounts. Depending upon who gets more views, one is viewed as copying the other, regardless if people think an individual made it, or if a group of people made the TAS. And again, it's not just about acknowledgment for my work. I like seeing the feedback I get from users and people interested in the TAS and I shouldn't have to check another channel to get that feedback. I'm against allowing ignorance on any level, which is something we already have to fight enough on this site with being accused of cheating or hacking.
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SoulCal wrote:
CobraSmurf wrote:
@SoulCal can you upload 60Hz framerate version for offline viewing? still loved this TAS as it is. one of best TAS videos ever!
The game is 30fps, not 60. Idk where to upload a video for offline viewing.
since its on emulator, i thought there is a way around this and videos can be made higher framerate than in original game. you could upload to some file sharing websites like Sendspace.com or Depositfiles.com. but i can see this can be a waste of your time if not doing this usually.
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CobraSmurf wrote:
since its on emulator, i thought there is a way around this and videos can be made higher framerate than in original game.
That is only possible in very rare cases where game updates the video data more often than screen updates. This game almost certainly doesn't.
CobraSmurf wrote:
you could upload to some file sharing websites like Sendspace.com or Depositfiles.com.
One problem: Good quality encode is likely to be over 1GB in size (even if this game isn't codec poison), and very few file sharing websites accept such large files.
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Ilari wrote:
CobraSmurf wrote:
since its on emulator, i thought there is a way around this and videos can be made higher framerate than in original game.
That is only possible in very rare cases where game updates the video data more often than screen updates. This game almost certainly doesn't.
I suppose we could simulate 60fps if we could force interlaced video from the emulator (because GCN is 480i). RE4 in Dolphin by holding B at startup boots the game in progressive mode, but it seems from what I've tested that it always renders a full screen at once regardless of how it's booted. Dolphin dumps the video at 60fps, but it's also twice as fast as it should be.
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SoulCal wrote:
But if posted on the creator's channel, and only the creator's channel, there's 0 chance of mistaken authorship.
If life were only that simple. :P
SoulCal wrote:
Depending upon who gets more views, one is viewed as copying the other, regardless if people think an individual made it, or if a group of people made the TAS.
Uh.....funny that you mentioned that, it happened to me in both ways. Oh well. :P
SoulCal wrote:
I'm against allowing ignorance on any level, which is something we already have to fight enough on this site with being accused of cheating or hacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_sucker_born_every_minute Which is also the reason why despite huge amounts of effort taken by many people, there are still those who fall into phishing and other scams. =/
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What the fuck are people on about?? SoulCal, if you want your run to solely be uploaded on your channel then fine. Do we really need 2 pages of discussion about something stupid like this? I am sorry but that's how I feel about the matter, because I couldn't care less where your run was uploaded. If you want to submit your run then do it, if not, then so be it.
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
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I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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