Resurrect time! Y'know, I was thinking. I was thinking about doing an Magician run. Then I realised it would be the same thing, just not having to open the menu's twice to use DSS. So now I thought about doing a Fighter run. It would be drastically different. Items would play an actual role, and you would see the Bosses more than 10 seconds. On the negative side though, no super speed from the DSS.
What do you guys think? I'll consider this if people show interest.
Items, you say? Hmm, but if that doesn't imply some route changes, the run would essentially follow the same course as the starred one… only slower, wouldn't it?
Also, how about doing a quick lazily-assisted mock run to show the main differences?
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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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I've been thinking about this. How about a no-sram run which uses all the glitches to beat each mode one after the other? It would be fairly quick if the warp glitch was used where possible. Of course the warrior mode would take some time, but it would be interesting. I guess after normal mode the shooter and thief would look pretty lame but this would give a good chance to show off some more possibilities for this game.
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I don't know how to put this, but Nathan has joined the forces of the undead :(
Also, I'm looking into the possibilities of making a Fighter-run.
I could make one just for the hell of it without submitting as a submission, I mean, I'd like to see one as well.
Warp wrote:
omg lol this is so fake!!!1 the nes cant produce music like this!
Go for it, should be interesting. I'm guessing you'll want as much +STR equipment as possible that doesn't waste too much time getting. Cross spam will end most boss fights fairly quickly.
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I'm more concerned how long one can slide and kill everything, and harvest items, items, items and more items. We're talking maybe harvesting 20 - 30 Potions, which will allow one to skip a lot of save rooms.
Getting the Cross is a must, yes.
Warp wrote:
omg lol this is so fake!!!1 the nes cant produce music like this!
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To get around the SRAM problem could you just:
1) Start with the current glitched run's input.
2) Do it again for the Magician, just a little faster.
3) Play the Fighter.
If you can soft reset during the credits and still have it count (I don't know) then this should only add less than 10 minutes to the start of the run. Then this movie could obsolete the old glitched movie.
SRAM problem isn't one.
There's already a published movie for Harmony of Dissonance which starts from SRAM in order to use a different character.
Oh. Different problem than I thought. Nevermind.
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Catastrophe wrote:
To get around the SRAM problem could you just:
1) Start with the current glitched run's input.
2) Do it again for the Magician, just a little faster.
3) Play the Fighter.
If you can soft reset during the credits and still have it count (I don't know) then this should only add less than 10 minutes to the start of the run. Then this movie could obsolete the old glitched movie.
That could work.
Would it be more amusing though? I mean, it truly does not aim for fastest time, and it will be very much slower, mainly due to not being able to dash-DSS and longer boss fights (However fewer save room visits might make the run smoother).
I'll make some progress in the Fighter run first, so we can see how it works out. It might be boring after a while and only attract the fans of the game :/
Also, I tried performing the double KO-trick on last Dracula, hoping it would count as a cleared game, but it didn't :( Oh well.
EDIT: Bonus snapshot from my last run-around, dead with 240 HP:
Here's what I though could be useful:
- Making a detour into the last room before Cerberus to snatch 2 Gauntlets (However this takes time and +30 STR does not make THAT much difference for the Fighter. If those Gauntlets are not grabbed here, they could be grabbed before Iron Golem, alongside with a Stylish Suit).
- Get an axe for Necromancer
- Get the Cross before Iron Golem
- Skip the Night Suit and instead kill a Were-Jaguar to get a Ninja Robe
- 2 Strength Rings before Adramalech
Other than that, just harvest on HP-restore items as well as Heart-restore items. Since the Fighter has the "advantage" of not being able to use DSS, sliding in a crowded corridor is probably faster, as long as the enemies die in one touch.
Item Harvest, anyone?
Warp wrote:
omg lol this is so fake!!!1 the nes cant produce music like this!
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I've changed my mind, I won't do a Fighter-TAS.
To make it optimal, one should make sure to get a HP-restore item from EVERY enemy that he kills/encounters, to be able to skip as many save points as possible, and that will be way too much for me, I mean getting 13 Potions in my last Vampire Killer-run almost made me insane.
Unless I can get help from someone, with the manipulation. Or just make a far-from-perfect run.
Warp wrote:
omg lol this is so fake!!!1 the nes cant produce music like this!
Well, I think you've made a very fast TAS but, I wonder, why didn't you skip Adramalech? And likely that you could skip Camilla as well.
<klmz> it reminds me of that people used to keep quoting adelikat's IRC statements in the old good days
<adelikat> no doubt
<adelikat> klmz, they still do
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It's not possible, as far as I know. You must kill Adramalech to rid the green statue preventing you from entering Underground Waterway, and without killing Camilla, no Roc Wing, which means no access to the Observation Tower.
Warp wrote:
omg lol this is so fake!!!1 the nes cant produce music like this!
It's already been established that the person who made that screenshot forgot that he had the "always run" cheat activated. This allowed him to keep running speed after kicking against the wall. The sequence break is impossible without cheats.
I think you'd better watch the vbm first.
zggzdydp said that he was just busy making it.
EDIT: Sorry for my double-posting. But I can't figure out how to delete my post now.
<klmz> it reminds me of that people used to keep quoting adelikat's IRC statements in the old good days
<adelikat> no doubt
<adelikat> klmz, they still do
I think you'd better watch the vbm first.
zggzdydp said that he was just busy making it.
<klmz> it reminds me of that people used to keep quoting adelikat's IRC statements in the old good days
<adelikat> no doubt
<adelikat> klmz, they still do
Also, I'm looking into the possibilities of making a Fighter-run.
I could make one just for the hell of it without submitting as a submission, I mean, I'd like to see one as well.
Here's what I though could be useful:
