Now, I think about it getting the bow as a child takes far too long, so we would be better off getting the bow as an adult. In terms of entering the Shadow temple as a child you'll need to climb on the fence near Dampe's roof and jump onto from there and you can indeed side hop over the loading point for Din's fire as a child.
Route
Kokiri
Gerudo (get bombchus and save/quit)
Dondongo's (get bomb bag, beat KD)
Enter Kakariko (get bottle)
Enter Graveyard (hover from Dampe's roof and enter Shadow Temple
Shadow Temple (get hover boots and use death warp to entrance)
Hyrule Castle (Meet Zelda)
Zora's river
Zora's Domain (Skip King Zora using hover(by TP reference that name is proven to be correct))
Jabu
Save/Quit
Kokiri
Lake Hylia (steal rod)
Hyrule (bottle adventure)
Temple of Time (become adult with light arrows on B)
Hyrule
Kakariko
Graveyard (get hookshot, don't use smashwarp)
Kakariko
Death Mountain
Great Fairy (get magic)
Goron City
Lost Woods
Sacred Meadow
Forest Temple (get bow)
Save/Quit
Temple of Time
Ganon Early
Win the game
EDIT: Important note about having light arrows on B: Since you have no sword you cannot use the bomb hovering technique.
Its also not possible to enter Shadow Temple as an Adult by any means since the traditional technique is to use a jumpslash before the bomb explodes.
Now, I think about it getting the bow as a child takes far too long, so we would be better off getting the bow as an adult. In terms of entering the Shadow temple as a child you'll need to climb on the fence near Dampe's roof and jump onto from there and you can indeed side hop over the loading point for Din's fire as a child.
Route
Kokiri
Gerudo (get bombchus and save/quit)
Dondongo's (get bomb bag, beat KD)
Enter Kakariko (get bottle)
...
Well, in this case, why not just do Shadow as an adult?
Otherwise, that's a lot to redo...
I'm probably forgetting something important, but what was the lullaby needed for except entering zora's domain the usual way?
I'm currently thinking about
- be a true hero and ditch the damsel (i.e. no castle visit)
- fishing pond (golden scale + steal rod)
- dive into zd and finish jabu (somehow without the sword)
- bottle adventure
but of course I'm missing something. What is it?
Because of the blocks in Forest en route to the bow, we either need to get Silver Gauntlets or go there as a child.
Swordless Link, have you tried completing Bottle Adventure with your glitch to verify that there are no oversights or unexpected problems?
Just when you think the game's been utterly broken... So, when should we expect to have the Door of Time skip figured out? ;)
Actually, would that even be helpful at this point?
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Dacicus wrote:
Just when you think the game's been utterly broken... So, when should we expect to have the Door of Time skip figured out? ;)
Actually, would that even be helpful at this point?
Well, we'd still need to complete the Deku Tree in order to get out of the forest. We'd still need to get bombs from Dodongo's and the hover boots from Shadow for Ganon's Castle early. We'd still need to collect the Silver Gauntlets or get the bow as a child -- and again I ask: which is faster? However, we'd be able to skip the last two spiritual stones. So a Temple of Time sequence break would probably cut the time by half, but it'll never be as simple as Kokiri Forest -> Temple of Time -> Ganon's Castle. Also, the chances of this SB even being possible are incredibly slim, considering how many people have tried...and failed. For one, there's an invisible force that pushes you backward when you try to jumpslash through the crack, and you also can't use any C items (save for the OoT) while inside the temple.
My understanding of Bottle Adventure is that all of these steps must happen:
1. Get a bottle on B as an adult
2. Become a child and equip an item to C-Right
3. Become an adult and the new item on B corresponds to the value of Mem[BaseAddress + Value(Item on C-right)]
So, even if we can now steal the rod as a child, I'm not sure we can skip traveling back and forth in time at least once. When Link first becomes an adult, there is no bottle on B, and hence, I'm fairly sure the new item on B won't be Light Arrows -- it may as well just be the sword.
If this is true, then Swordless Link's trick may not be usable...
Damn this is overdue. Very nice glitch... Hahaha, funny thing is that someone said you could do it off the rocks about a year and a half ago but noone believed it. Me and fierce tried it but we couldn't pull it off... I spent like 4 hours trying to do it too.
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Nice trick Swordless.
I will be starting my run back up here in a week. I have been practicing my Guitar Hero II for a big tournament coming up on March 31st.
Change my sig. again, and I will murder your pet fish.
Nice trick Swordless.
I will be starting my run back up here in a week. I have been practicing my Guitar Hero II for a big tournament coming up on March 31st.
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That's a savestate with the rod stolen as a kid, with the three spritual stones collected, and the door of time opened, although not lifted the Master Sword at all, in case anyway wants to experiment.
Just to clarify, we're trying to find a way to get Light Arrows on B with only one trip through time. Currently, I'm not sure it's possible.
This is how it's done with three trips through time:
1. Deplete Deku Stick Supply to 0
2. Get fish in bottle
3. Become adult
4. Steal the rod
5. Go back towards ToT
6. In hyrule field (Not in lake hylia) Pause and unpause (puts deku stick on B [DON'T PRESS B])
7. Empty bottled fish and catch it again
8. Do backflip and then press bottle button and then B before you hit the ground. (puts bottle on B)
9. Go to ToT
10. Put fish on c-right and make sure deku nuts aren't equipped (not sure but to be safe).
11. Become child
12. Become adult (light arrows are now on B)
Notice that the bottle is on B as an adult. If we put the bottle on B as a child, it becomes a sword when Link is an adult.
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Why doesnt someone just try:
1. Deplete Deku Stick Supply to 0
2. Get fish in bottle
3. Steal the rod
4. Go back towards ToT
5. In hyrule field (Not in lake hylia) Pause and unpause (puts deku stick on B [DON'T PRESS B])
6. Empty bottled fish and catch it again
7. Do backflip and then press bottle button and then B before you hit the ground. (puts bottle on B)
8. Go to ToT
9. Put fish on c-right and make sure deku nuts aren't equipped (not sure but to be safe).
10. Become adult (light arrows are now on B)
And see if it works? Idk, seems logical to me.
"I think we can put our differences behind us... for science, you monster."
I've tried that, and it doesn't work. You get your good old sword back on B after pulling the MS.
Here's my setup:
My understanding of Bottle Adventure, as explained on JayTheHam, is that the bottle on B must happen as an adult, making three trips through time the bare minimum. I could be wrong, of course.
I contacted Kazooie (credited as M-M on JayTheHam) about this 3-4 days ago and have received no response. I wonder what he's been up to these days...
My understanding of Bottle Adventure, as explained on JayTheHam, is that the bottle on B must happen as an adult, making three trips through time the bare minimum. I could be wrong, of course.
I have an alternate theory; I think that the first time you become an adult, it automatically adds the Master Sword to your equipment and equips it. IIRC, it does something similar to your c-button slots the first time you pull the Master Sword.
Trying 127.0.0.1...
telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
Has anyone checked if you can do the bottle stuff somewhere besides HF, like ToT or market?
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
My understanding of Bottle Adventure, as explained on JayTheHam, is that the bottle on B must happen as an adult, making three trips through time the bare minimum. I could be wrong, of course.
I contacted Kazooie (credited as M-M on JayTheHam) about this 3-4 days ago and have received no response. I wonder what he's been up to these days...
