This topic is for the purpose of discussing #2403: teammy's Genesis Mortal Kombat II in 11:39.82

First off you should probably use the SNES MKII since it has better graphics and sound. Your movie was OK though. There were a lot of uppercuts, probably more than necessary. I think you should have preformed a stage fatality on the second fight rather than a normal character fatality. It wasn't bad but it could have been a lot better. Overall Meh vote

This run has no real combos being used. The same characters are used way too often, like Baraka and Scorpion. There are plenty of moves that miss or are blocked, which looks bad. Also, given the motions that the player goes through when performing fatalities, it seems like this run was definitely recorded at a faster speed than frame advance. I couldn't really find this entertaining, especially when the glitchfest feels faster, makes a bigger fool out of the computer, and offers so much more. Sorry, but No vote.

om, nom, nom... *burp*!

sorry I know this has been accepted by the rules of the Vault and others,but this TAS is still low compared with the version SNES i know this game can be accepted not only because of the Vault but also contain strange glitches UMK3 gen TAS published here,so I consider this a TAS low to be accepted, does not contain flaws and other awesome things already seen in this game well this is my point of view to watch the entire TAS I will not need talk my vote compared to the other mk submissions!!!

WHY IS THIS ACCEPTED?

I'm in agreement with grassini here. The thing is: runs of fighting games DO base their merit on entertainment value. It would be one thing if we didn't have a published MKII run yet, but we do, and it's better than this run. I would imagine this should be rejected on the grounds of being suboptimal in achieving its goals.

Making a speed record of a fighting game is a viable goal for the Vault. However, this run has so many speed/entertainment trade-offs (and is likely not optimal as far as round-by-round strats go) that I'm not sure if it's a good idea to publish it or wait for someone to make a true speed-oriented movie of the game.

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I accepted it because it for being a fast movie for this game and thus eligible for the vault despite getting a poor reception entertainment wise. I'm aware it contains speed/entertainment trade-offs but I was trying not to penalize it based on this for a few reasons: 1) This movie is still skillfully created, and thus technically impressive despite them. It meets Vault criteria on its technical merits 2) I was hoping to avoid rejecting runs with speed/entertainment trade-offs during a re-judging just because I would prefer to have quality runs that could be "improved" later 3) Most importantly, I don't like the idea that if you do speed/entertainment trade-offs that it makes you not eligible for the vault. Because that makes such runs "risky" and I worry that will discourage them. A fast movie of a fighting game is nice and all, but we do want people to try to make creative and artful movies of these games. I recognize that an inevitable result of the Vault rules do discourage these types of movies. If you think this should be reconsidered, I will do so. Should this be rejected?

Aim for fastest time

I hope you enjoy watching and I know it could be faster, but entertainment is the key.

My concern is the intent of the author, really. Is it supposed to be a speedrun or is it supposed to be for entertainment?

I think that This game is too similar to it's SNES counterpart to be judged as a separate game The SNES run is far more refined and beats this one on the entertainement value and the speed trade off is too great making it look more unoptimised than entertaining. This shouldn't be vaulted

I really think a run like this should be judged purely for entertainment. A tournament-style fighting game shouldn't really be vault material.

may be that it can be improved in a playaround because it contains different things of SNES version but the entertainment value of this is low so do not consider this a good one to accept.

Truncated's point when he initially rejected it was completely valid: it very much looks like real-time play. There are whiffed attacks, blocked attacks, delayed attacks, failed fatalities...this is not up to TASVideos standards, IMO.

Adelikat brought up a point I'd forgotten about: one benefit of publishing the run is that it can increase its visibility and inspire other people to improve it (after all, that worked for New Super Mario Bros, I guess). However, the run still has to be good. In this case, we judge a fighting game run primarily based on its entertainment and demonstration of skill, and this run is lackluster in these areas. Ultimately, I'd reject it because I don't think it's a quality run, not because its goals are questionable. The redundancy with this version and the SNES version is a further reason.