Using that glitch, I was able to get 20 notes in the plateau (using the ground pound to get notes on the sign), and if the treble clef in Jinjo Village is gotten (u can get that without grip grab?) thats 40 notes, still not enough to accept Jamjars fire eggs training (45 notes)
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bkDJ wrote:
"Banjo-Tooie cannot be [played on mupen] because the plateau fire egg switch cannot be activated to open the gate to the witchyworld area."
Or can you get that to work too?
Unless this is resolved, I can't see a way to make a TAS for this game.
"Banjo-Tooie cannot be [played on mupen] because the plateau fire egg switch cannot be activated to open the gate to the witchyworld area."
Or can you get that to work too?
Unless this is resolved, I can't see a way to make a TAS for this game.
I believe it was resolved easily in mupen64plus, so couldn't the "patch" or whatever be ported to mupen64 rerecording?
I understand this might be an easier said than done situation, but has anyone looked into this?
"Banjo-Tooie cannot be [played on mupen] because the plateau fire egg switch cannot be activated to open the gate to the witchyworld area."
Or can you get that to work too?
I'm not entirely sure whether the problem has been resolved, but I'll play through the entire game once to see if Mupen64Plus has fixed all emulation problems for this game.
Damn... that's not good, and I guess you are the only one trying to get it to work (correct me if I'm wrong)
Well, I haven't even attempted to run Mupen for a while. I'll probably end up messing around with it again sometime this week. Hopefully if I can get BT to run, I'll start up a WIP.
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SwordlessLink has expressed interest in TASing Banjo-Tooie. Does anyone have an update with its TAS-ability in Mupen?
I've also found a lot of new glitches:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGKgGmE443V2Ie6rXBrY2OY7LFbPYC68
Once the new finds start slowing down, Pjii from SDA (and current BT world record holder for all categories) is going to route it out using my new glitches.
If you can find a way to get around this emulation glitch, then a TAS might be possible:
bkDJ wrote:
Secondly Banjo-Tooie cannot be TASed or even played normally because the plateau fire egg switch cannot be activated to open the gate to the witchyworld area.
AFAIK, there hasn't been any development on Mupen64-RR at all (for several years). Mupen64Plus was promising, since they got past this bug, but they never did implement rerecording features, even though it still has development activity... (http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/issues/detail?id=58)
<ccfreak2k> There is no 'ctrl' button on DeHackEd's computer. DeHackEd is always in control.
Using the slope climbing trick from Banjo Kazooie (eg Ticker's Tower), you can get to the wooden part at the top of Honey B's Beehive. However, I have been unable to do make the last jump from the white part to the brown part and still reset my slope timer. If you can do this, you should be able to scale the brown wood more and possibly flutter to a slope on the outskirts of the level. From there, it looks you can use slope resets to work your way past the Cliff Top entrance, around to the back side of the wall, and all the way across the screen to the Pine Grove entrance, which would skip the Fire Egg switch and presumably allow a TAS. It'd waste time, but at least the run can go on (and it would be a cool trick anyways).
Alternatively, if you could get to WitchyWorld early without CKEs (presumably from GGM), you could skip the switch completely. Or, if you can find a way to exploit the Mayhem Temple --> Terrydactyland warp, you should easily be able to get CKEs early and have a back entrance to Witchyworld (and thus Pine Grove).
I think if anyone wants to TAS this game, searching for one of the three tricks above would be better than waiting for who-knows-how-long until the Fire Egg switch is fixed. Of course, since nobody has gotten past it, there might be other dead ends, but who knows?
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RingRush wrote:
Using the slope climbing trick from Banjo Kazooie (eg Ticker's Tower), you can get to the wooden part at the top of Honey B's Beehive. However, I have been unable to do make the last jump from the white part to the brown part and still reset my slope timer. If you can do this, you should be able to scale the brown wood more and possibly flutter to a slope on the outskirts of the level. From there, it looks you can use slope resets to work your way past the Cliff Top entrance, around to the back side of the wall, and all the way across the screen to the Pine Grove entrance, which would skip the Fire Egg switch and presumably allow a TAS. It'd waste time, but at least the run can go on (and it would be a cool trick anyways).
Relevant video on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6LJ8pD1-k
I'll try to look for one of those skips you mentioned. They're within the realm of possibility (more so than a working N64 emulator).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rboDgpfK0ao
The glitch Cronikeys found about skewing your angle also skews your hitbox, which means you can grab things through walls with moves that normally wouldn't reach before. The first one shown is probably the only one that has a use though, since the other two shown need Breegull Bash.
I think Breegull Bash is the only move that goes further than Taxi Pack, which is unfortunate.
Edit: A trick I was unaware of at the time makes you able to get that Jinjo shown in the first clip with Banjo+Kazooie, so disregard that. The video is mostly for documentation purposes now.
