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Dada wrote:
The sentiment is appreciated, but I'd much rather type 2 letters as opposed to >2.
That's one reason why I suggested the "4x" style notation.
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"Standard" seems to be a pretty good word for which people are used to, right? How about we use this? Just take off "Definition" from "SD".
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What about "std" versus "yt"? Not that I'm likely to make use of my own suggestion.
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Mister Epic wrote:
"Standard" seems to be a pretty good word for which people are used to, right? How about we use this? Just take off "Definition" from "SD".
Some people might be used to "standard" when talking about TV. It really doesn't give the same impression when talking about video game footage resolution as "native" or "original" do.
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Warp wrote:
Mister Epic wrote:
"Standard" seems to be a pretty good word for which people are used to, right? How about we use this? Just take off "Definition" from "SD".
Some people might be used to "standard" when talking about TV. It really doesn't give the same impression when talking about video game footage resolution as "native" or "original" do.
But video games are mostly shown on a TV. Anyway... I got what is probably a better idea. How about we get rid of expressions such as "SD", "HD", "Standard", "Primary", "Native" and "#X" and simply label them according to the website it's meant for? Like an "Archive.org encode", a "Download encode", a "YouTube encode", etc.
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Mister Epic wrote:
How about we get rid of expressions such as "SD", "HD", "Standard", "Primary", "Native" and "#X" and simply label them according to the website it's meant for? Like an "Archive.org encode", a "Download encode", a "YouTube encode", etc.
That is nearly exactly what people were using... before they realized they could save a lot of keystrokes by referring to them as 512kb, HD and SD, respectively.
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Actually, at the time, they were referred to as "encodes". Why? The only encodes that were commonly produced at the time were intended for download. The use of the term "HD" arose because when the technique was first introduced, it actually did target 1080p resolution specifically (this was back before Original mode existed, and videos were limited to 1080p). "SD" only arose locally for want of a term to describe encodes that weren't produced using those techniques, and no serious effort was taken at the time to correct the misnomer. (I'll also point out that "512kb"s are referred to as such despite that being an incredibly long five characters!)
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Mister Epic wrote:
But video games are mostly shown on a TV.
Which is exactly why "SD" is a bad term for a video which uses the resolution of the original console. In TV technology "SD", or "standard resolution", is 576 scanlines in PAL systems and 480 scanlines in NTSC systems, which is certainly significantly higher than the typical vertical resolution of old consoles, which were typically at most 240 pixel lines (usually less than that). "SD", if talking about an NTSC game, would imply a resolution of 640x480 pixels (for a 4:3 aspect ratio video). However, in this context it's really referring to the native resolution of the console, which is typically something like 256x192 or the like.
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We were doing Youtube encodes long before the HD encoding fad was started (by Flygon I recall).
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Warp wrote:
Mister Epic wrote:
But video games are mostly shown on a TV.
Which is exactly why "SD" is a bad term for a video which uses the resolution of the original console. In TV technology "SD", or "standard resolution", is 576 scanlines in PAL systems and 480 scanlines in NTSC systems, which is certainly significantly higher than the typical vertical resolution of old consoles, which were typically at most 240 pixel lines (usually less than that). "SD", if talking about an NTSC game, would imply a resolution of 640x480 pixels (for a 4:3 aspect ratio video). However, in this context it's really referring to the native resolution of the console, which is typically something like 256x192 or the like.
I wasn't talking about "Standard" as "SD". I was talking about "TASVideos' Standard". You know what I mean?
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Mister Epic wrote:
"TASVideos' Standard", if you know what I mean.
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I'm happy if "512" is used for the archive variety. YT is fine for YouTube, DM for DailyMotion, we recognize these. BT for the ones we distribute via bit torrent. For cases where you enlarge, mention "high res" and some specifics. You're not going to get that into two or three letters accurately unless you say 1.5x, 8x, and so on.
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Dada wrote:
Mister Epic wrote:
How about we get rid of expressions such as "SD", "HD", "Standard", "Primary", "Native" and "#X" and simply label them according to the website it's meant for? Like an "Archive.org encode", a "Download encode", a "YouTube encode", etc.
That is nearly exactly what people were using... before they realized they could save a lot of keystrokes by referring to them as 512kb, HD and SD, respectively.
You mean there are people who are too lazy to type "YouTube", or even "youtube", instead of "HD"? ---- Also, I got an idea for HD encodes. I think it should be the encoder's choice to encode in HD or not for YouTube and Dailymotion. Is HD encoding something an encoder must make for streaming sites that support it?
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sgrunt wrote:
What about "PE" for primary encode, "DE" for downloadable encode...?
What's the difference between primary and downloadable encodes in that designation? I thought both terms referred to the one available via BitTorrent, [incorrectly] also known as SD.
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Dacicus wrote:
What's the difference between primary and downloadable encodes in that designation? I thought both terms referred to the one available via BitTorrent, [incorrectly] also known as SD.
No difference - they refer to the same thing.