I don't think this changes anything about the point I was trying to make in that paragraph. Certainly my bit immediately following that about if I had cast the vote I was strongly tempted to still applies.
I don't think we should go so far as to force people to leave a comment because I think it would ultimately be detrimental to the judging process for the less voted on runs, resulting in even fewer votes to guide the judge, and probably not many more comments.
I don't think we should go so far as to force people to leave a comment because I think it would ultimately be detrimental to the judging process for the less voted on runs, resulting in even fewer votes to guide the judge, and probably not many more comments.
I agree with jimsfriend.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
Emulator Coder, Site Developer, Site Owner, Expert player
(3576)
Joined: 11/3/2004
Posts: 4754
Location: Tennessee
jimsfriend wrote:
Tasvideos.org wrote:
Note: Because of abuse that has happened, lurkers can't vote anymore.
Is this needed? I don't know how frequently greifers come to this website and try to vandalize things, so maybe this is a really easy yes from the admin, but maybe it isn't.
It indeed needed. Plain and simple. There was a time when this minimum post count was not in place. We had daily abuses. We were bombarded DAILY by fake accounts. I'm not talking some lurker abusing his account privileges. I'm talking uses making 20+ accounts in a day to vote on their troll submissions. We had more than 1 submission that had something like 18 yes, 5 meh, 2 no and every single vote could be traced to the submitter. These were not isolated incidents nor were they a single person.
Does the difference between 5 posts and 1 post and no posts really deter that many greifers, or do they just downvote and dig in theg arbage on youtube now and not bother with coming here?
Maybe 5 posts isn't a big deterrent for one troller but to someone making 20+ accounts, that's 100 posts. That definitely a deterrent. Frankly, I'm not too concerned about the lurker who votes "badly", I'm interested in the people doing everything they can to abuse a system.
Another issue is that by requiring posts, a person making 5 quick posts in order to "abuse" the system now has an IP trail that clicking a radio dial would not.
Most importantly, when we instituted the minimum post requirement again, these issues STOPPED.
So let's suppose the post requirement is no longer a deterrent to greifers, maybe it has some beneficial value anyway by forcing new users who want to participate to make a few posts - ....stuff
The minimum post requirement isn't about getting people to post that otherwise wouldn't. Frankly, I'm not even concerned with that. I would LIKE people to post and participate, and doing so is helpful to the submission. But it is up to the user. I'd rather have a silent vote than no vote at all.
It probably even says something to that effect in the rules or guidelines or whatever.
Indeed it does
But when I go to the workbench, and vote on a run, there is nothing there encouraging me to explain why I voted the way I did, so if I didn't read every topic on the entire forum and the rules and guidelines and judging guidelines (because I'm a judge and I would do that), I wouldn't know that my posts are more important than my vote since the first thing I see when entering the topic is Vote:.
Fair enough. That's worth considering.
Onto my last thought: unknown lurkers are prevented from voting due to past abuses that weren't even theirs.
That's life, dude.
He's Deign, ....blah blah stuff
Are you equating preventing voting abuse with taking submission voting super seriously? Or are you suggesting Deign be disciplined for his joking post? Or are you suggesting there are people getting disciplined unfairly due to their voting, if so where?
I honestly don't know where you are going with this. But it seems very tenuous regardless.
Another issue is that by requiring posts, a person making 5 quick posts in order to "abuse" the system now has an IP trail that clicking a radio dial would not.
The phpBB2 you're running here has been heavily modded so I can't be sure of what I'm going to say, but in a vanilla phpBB2 forum, even IP addresses of poll voters are stored, in the phpbb_vote_voters table, vote_user_ip field.
Plus, there is a phpBB2 mod, by TerraFrost (Jim Wigginton), which logs the IP address used to register new accounts. I find it quite useful.
Note: Because of abuse that has happened, lurkers can't vote anymore.
Btw, should the same rule apply to being able to submit a new TAS?
Not that this has necessarily been abused per se, but there have been several cases recently where a submitter has clearly not understood the idea with TASes, at least one of them having zero posts when he made the submission.
Note: Because of abuse that has happened, lurkers can't vote anymore.
Btw, should the same rule apply to being able to submit a new TAS?
Not that this has necessarily been abused per se, but there have been several cases recently where a submitter has clearly not understood the idea with TASes, at least one of them having zero posts when he made the submission.
This has been brought up before, and I have to agree with the consensus we came to at the time - the few crappy submissions we get don't outweigh the loss of a great submission from a non-active member, such as a japanese TASer.
While, perhaps they may become active, the more blocks we put up, the more likely they are to be sufficiently happy with nicovideo, and ignore this site.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
"That's life, dude." + explanation of abuses adequately covers my concerns in this topic.
If you do decide to have some way to encourage voters to also be posters, the way already mentioned seems easy but probably not terribly effective. Perhaps you could have two buttons. A submit vote button, and a submit vote and make reply button. Ultimately though, if the judges don't see this sort of thing as being useful, then I wouldn't bother, and there is no guarantee that it will help anyway.
I think I'm done here, thanks for reading + commenting.
