Posted: 8/20/2004 11:50 AM
Post subject: Wrath of the Black Manta
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Has anyone considered doing Wrath of the Black Manta for NES? I think it could be interesting, minus the kiteflying. Anyone familiar with this game?
Posted: 8/20/2004 12:52 PM
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:25 PM
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I know it fairly well. >1. Do I have to talk to the red guys? No. They only tell you the background story and/or location of hidden rooms, which are the same every time anyway. It's the same for the kids. >2. Do I have to enter the secret rooms? No. But it might be a good idea, this is one of the things you'll have to experiment with. Usually you gain a longer POW meter in the secret rooms. It makes your special techniques slower to charge, but they last longer / possibly become more powerful. I don't know if it pays off in the long run. >3. Do I obtain magic/techniques after each boss or some where else? After each boss. Also about the bosses, I'm not sure but possibly you give more damage if you stand close to them.
Posted: 8/25/2004 11:11 PM
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Well I'm waiting for it Walker.
Posted: 8/26/2004 5:41 AM
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Hehe, it will come in time.
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Posted: 8/29/2004 12:29 PM
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Posted: 8/29/2004 10:04 PM
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That was fast. I thought it would take more time. I haven't watched it yet (because there are 27 downloaders and 1/2 seed, what's up with that?), but when I do I'll post any comments here.
Posted: 8/29/2004 10:06 PM
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Posted: 8/29/2004 10:07 PM
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there are 27 downloaders and 1/2 seed, what's up with that?
Bah, btlaunchmanycurses was "tilt" again.
Posted: 8/30/2004 3:09 PM
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A new version will come some day. And that will be slightly under 11 minutes I hope.
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Posted: 8/30/2004 8:39 PM
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You fall down a floor at the first red guy, which seems to cost you forward speed. Can't he be jumped over like the rest? Can't you move right during the fall trough the shaft at 1:01? It looks like you are moving right when you fall trough the other shafts. Same at 5:19. At 1:23, it looks like you jump to the left and then the right for no reason, when you could have gone straight up. Why did you delay doing shadow tech at Tiny? Can it be done in advance? At the second boss you use both knives and shuriken. If one is faster it should be faster all the time. The knives are at least twice as powerful as the stars, but I don't know about firing rate. Second time (at rematch) you seem to do more knives. Also at the second boss, you do nothing while approaching them. Why not some tech or at least jump+shoot? At 5:21, wouldn't it be faster to jump up one floor before the gap (assuming you can make that gap in one jump)? Third boss seems quite suboptimal. You duck and pause shooting, knives would probably be faster. If you are not averse to taking damage, you could take one hit to get inside him and start knifing. Another option would be using some tech (fire wheel?). No knives at fourth boss either... I assume the elevator doesn't go any faster because you kill the guards quicker, other than the last guard, which you seemed to nail as soon as he appeared every time. You seemed to stop momentarily before shooting the final boss the last time. It looked like the last shot would have hit earlier if you walked towards him instead. That's all I can think of. Thoughts?
Posted: 8/30/2004 8:51 PM
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Posted: 9/1/2004 10:33 PM
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Some comments on the new run: 2:55 - seems like you could have dropped down sooner and moved right in the air. no forward movement on drop at 3:05 either. 5:09 you land to the left of a barrel, to jump up on it the second after. Why not land on the barrel the first time? 6:11 you stop at one of those big balls. You cuold have done invisible tech earlier, just in the start, and you shouldn't have to wait. At 7:01 you stop your drop to walk right, but you could have moved right in the air instead. 7:11 another drop without horizontal movement. On fourth boss, the first small robot dies faster than the second. It's very obvious because the second actually has time to fire once. It should be possible to do it as fast as the first. Do the robot shots hurt while invisible? If not you could do invis tech before the third and not have to duck once. You (again) do the ninjas differently the first time from the rematch. One of the ways should be faster. Well, that's all. Hope I'm not being too hard on you. :)
Posted: 9/2/2004 8:30 PM
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Posted: 9/2/2004 8:44 PM
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Posted: 9/3/2004 6:09 AM
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I understand that. It's all pretty petty stuff, but I wanted to tell you anyway, in case you redo it. Oh, and with the ball, I though there was room where you first started, before you jumped up to the platform where the ball is.
Posted: 9/3/2004 7:10 PM
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Walker_Boh
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?Y?e?a?h? ?I? ?u?n?d?e?r?s?t?a?n?d? ?t?h?a?t?.? ?B?u?t? ?I? ?w?a?s?n??t? ?t?h?a?t? ?c?l?u?m?s?y?.? ?M?o?s?t? ?o?f? ?t?h?e? ?"?m?i?s?t?a?k?e?s?"? ?w?e?r?e? ?m?a?d?e? ?w?i?t?h? ?p?u?r?p?o?s?e?.?
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Posted: 4/18/2006 1:06 AM
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adelikat
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Joined: 11/3/2004
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I have been working on some tests for this game and have found my first ever glitch that can be used in a TAS! I found a way to both get into walls and jump up them. Here is a WIP of the first 2 levels. With the glitch, some new tricks, and other optimizations I am 469 frames ahead of Walkerboh's current published run: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1031/Wrath_Of_The_Black_Manta%20adelikat%20lv3%20WIP.fcm
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Posted: 9/23/2012 9:45 PM
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biggyboy
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If you pause and unpause while moving the Ninja will be positioned off center to the right (and it increases if you keep doing it), you can even wrap around the screen by doing it. This can be used to enter walls more easily and save a significant amount of time over the current TAS. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/560263457/BLACKMANTApauseglitchtest.fm2 The game gets really messy if you go left while pausing then move right: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1085048912/BlackMantaCrash.fm2 Link to video