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Posted: 8/29/2013 9:05 AM
Post subject: Windows users, lend me your mice!
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Warepire
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(tl;dr? Skip the first paragraph of the post) A few days ago I got so far in hooking DirectInput basic SysMouse mouse devices that my testing game now tries to query the mouse for it's device objects. At first I thought that was really bad news because letting the game actually query the mouse would destroy sync completely through out-of-our-control device driver communication. But after talking with some friends I came to the conclusion that a SysMouse capable device probably follows a standard, and now I need help verifying that. I cannot promise that even a successful verification will allow me to complete mouse support in Hourglass, but it would increase the chances. Please download this little program, put it on the desktop or somewhere else where you can easily find it, run it, follow instructions, and then upload the log or post it within code-tags. http://hourglass-resurrection.googlecode.com/svn/branches/Tools/DISysMouseDataLogger/Release/DISysMouseDataLogger.exe For those that are afraid of running random exes, here's the source for the program: http://code.google.com/p/hourglass-resurrection/source/browse/branches/Tools/DISysMouseDataLogger/DISysMouseDataLogger/ Thank you everyone who tests this for the help! Enough data has been gathered, thanks everyone.
Posted: 8/29/2013 10:32 AM
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yuigenron
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http://pastebin.com/sLUx3gqu I'm looking forward to mouse support in hourglass.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 10:38 AM
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Dragonfangs
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http://pastebin.com/DdutAnYK Here you go
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Posted: 8/29/2013 11:45 AM
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http://pastebin.com/NzDvYmZf
Posted: 8/29/2013 2:50 PM
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Odongdong
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http://pastebin.com/Z854WLLC I hope your program works on Windows 95/98 games (more specifically, Madou Monogatari series).
Posted: 8/29/2013 2:55 PM
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Masterjun
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Exotic platforms TAS of 2020 Speedy TAS of 2018 PC TAS of 2018 Glitchy TAS of 2015 TASer of 2014 SNES TASer of 2014 TAS of 2014 SNES TAS of 2014 Funny TAS of 2014 Glitchy TAS of 2014 TASer of 2013 SNES TASer of 2013 NES TAS of 2013 SNES TAS of 2012 Funny TAS of 2012
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Posted: 8/29/2013 2:56 PM
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slamo
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http://pastebin.com/Ap5Aic85 Good luck, and thanks for your work on this!
Posted: 8/29/2013 3:31 PM
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Warepire
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Thank you everyone so far! A few more and I should be able to draw a fairly safe conclusion about this. Odongdong: If the games are 32 bit they will hopefully work given that the correct hooks exist, otherwise if they are 16 bit there isn't much I can do as the CPU support is diminishing and only XP 32bit has support for those games if the CPU does, and it would require a completely different DLL to attach to the process, and no dev environment I can get to run on my machines can build 16 bit DLLs. So in short: If the games are 32 bit they can and most likely will work, if the game is 16 bit it will not work, and I cannot do anything about that.
Posted: 8/29/2013 3:34 PM
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Posted: 8/29/2013 3:34 PM
Post subject: Re: lend me your mice
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turska
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http://codepad.org/rXyhffI0
Posted: 8/29/2013 3:38 PM
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Nach
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Windows 2003 32-bit: http://paste.nachsoftware.com/Nach/rkFBpec9c5bc4a4290290bc5d521f6af950d8fvy Windows 2008 R2 64-bit: http://paste.nachsoftware.com/Nach/gQCKY6813a21af1bc8b4f2e81521f6ba9cf0b5Dr
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Posted: 8/29/2013 3:45 PM
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http://pastebin.com/2qb5NU2T There you go!
Posted: 8/29/2013 3:48 PM
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Nach
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Windows XP SP3 32-bit with 3 mice plugged in: http://paste.nachsoftware.com/Nach/yLkRK9828b0f0c5689d802235521f6d26ddab8kN
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Posted: 8/29/2013 4:08 PM
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fsvgm777
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Windows 7 Home Premium x64 (using a laptop on which a mouse is connected via USB): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64600169/result.log Yes, the object names are in French, because I'm using a French version.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 4:13 PM
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Warepire
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I have always been taught that the plural of mouse (pointer device) is mouses while the plural of mouse (rodent) is mice... I should have what I need now to make a conclusion. A huge thank you to everyone who took their time to make logs for me. It's very much appreciated! If a moderator could edit my opening post to say that the data gathering is completed it would be much appreciated, I don't have the rights to edit it anymore...
Posted: 8/29/2013 4:35 PM
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Ilari
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Warepire wrote:
If a moderator could edit my opening post to say that the data gathering is completed it would be much appreciated, I don't have the rights to edit it anymore...
Okay, done. Also, looks like the data is in pretty standard format, aside from I18N of axis/button names (and sometimes varying button count)... Good thing, isn't it?
Posted: 8/29/2013 5:36 PM
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Warepire
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Ilari wrote:
Warepire wrote:
If a moderator could edit my opening post to say that the data gathering is completed it would be much appreciated, I don't have the rights to edit it anymore...
Okay, done. Also, looks like the data is in pretty standard format, aside from I18N of axis/button names (and sometimes varying button count)... Good thing, isn't it?
Thanks for the edit. I had not had the time to look at them and compare yet, but I did just now and you are right, and this is very good, this means I can hard-code the communication between the TASing-DLL and the game. Linear execution time joy!
Posted: 8/29/2013 8:35 PM
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Nach
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Warepire wrote:
I have always been taught that the plural of mouse (pointer device) is mouses while the plural of mouse (rodent) is mice...
I present for your consideration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_%28computing%29 http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-Mice/zgbs/electronics/11036491 http://www.newegg.com/Mice/SubCategory/ID-65 http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,2806,15141,00.asp
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Posted: 8/29/2013 8:44 PM
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turska
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Nach wrote:
I present for your consideration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_%28computing%29 http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-Mice/zgbs/electronics/11036491 http://www.newegg.com/Mice/SubCategory/ID-65 http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,2806,15141,00.asp
There's also http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouse and https://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/mouse?q=mouse to consider, which suggest both "mice" and "mouses" are acceptable. The Wikipedia article you linked says that's the case, too.
Posted: 8/29/2013 8:51 PM
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Nach
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turska wrote:
There's also http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouse and https://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/mouse?q=mouse to consider, which suggest both "mice" and "mouses" are acceptable. The Wikipedia article you linked says that's the case, too.
While mouses may be acceptable, it's not the vernacular (for example mice is used everywhere on the WP page). In any case mice is correct for it, not just mouses. Edit: I don't see mouses on the webster page.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 10:32 PM
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Not the first time this has happened. In elementary school I was taught that choice is spelled as "choise" and used that spelling for 7 years before I was corrected. Thanks for the information.
Posted: 8/29/2013 10:42 PM
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I think in preparation we should gather a list of games that will be TASable in hourglass once mouse support works. (Dustforce? Maybe Papers Please?)
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Posted: 8/29/2013 10:46 PM
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Nach
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Command & Conquer?
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Posted: 8/29/2013 10:57 PM
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Warepire
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First off the game has to be 32 bit. Second there will only be mouse support for WinAPI and DirectInput (up to DirectX 9), if I can get it working at all, if a game uses a different method it will not be supported at this time. But there are also other problems with some games not spawning their windows or outright crashes before the process is started fully. No idea yet what causes either. Also I broke movies trying to improve the format for coming improvements to Hourglass, so they corrupt on close/open, need to fix that too. And more things like these. So it's far from ready to be used yet sadly.
Posted: 8/29/2013 11:08 PM
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Patashu
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Yes, I am aware it won't be perfect immediately or ever :) I'm still excited though. A big thank you for Warepire for working to improve Hourglass!
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