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Zelda II has no single bad piece of music in it. That's my favorite as a whole. Megaman series has very nice tunes at some stages and Metroid is so very cool also.
I wonder what it would feel like to play Metroid with Megaman music or Zelda with Metroid music...
I don't like Neskimos or Minibosses because they leave so much detail out of their performance. They have too relaxed attitude. Great musical skill & equipment is required to produce decent cover songs. Oh well, I guess the purpose of remixes and covers is to experiment & have fun rather than make great music in itself.
Doom is an example of a game where many tracks are taken from somewhere: http://www.doomworld.com/linguica/doomcovers/
Again, the Doom versions suck and the original ones rule IMHO.
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I can tell u that if Metroid had the Megaman music it would be my favourite game :> How about Zelda with Castlevania's music? That would be rad as hell!
I agree. Castlevania has very good music. Real Dracula Style.
Yeah, the entire Castlevania series has lots of great music, my favorite being Super Castlevania for SNES. Mega Man is consistently good music (at least up until X3). I love Mega Man 2 - Wily 1! The Genesis Sonic games have great music as well. I also enjoy Chrono Trigger's soundtrack.
Game music sure isn't like it used to be...now it's all "real" sounding. Thbbth.
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I like some of retro games music, but my favorite song is Mega Man 5 (gb) - nepture stage (track #5 if you get one from zophar), it just impress me that Game Boy can play this song.
Doom is an example of a game where many tracks are taken from somewhere: http://www.doomworld.com/linguica/doomcovers/
Again, the Doom versions suck and the original ones rule IMHO.
The E1M1 music and the Metallica song don't sound any alike. Perhaps that guy is hallucinating?
There has to be some mistake on your part. To me the riffs are obviously identical.
There are some weak examples in that list though. E2M3 and E3M8 for example. But most of it is pretty clearly "borrowed".
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Oh, some guy just pointed out that E3M8 riff is actually almost but not quite unlike the opening riff of this song:
Stormtroopers of Death - Sargent D and the SOD
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I love all kind of game music, especially music from the console platforms such as Commodore 64 And NES. That's why I started to do the so called "Fictional Video Game Music."
A typical song of mine usually contains a saw wave leads and gained guitars. So it's basicly close to Machinae Supremacy, but it's closer to video game music, since there's no vocal parts. Yet. ;)
So, if you're still interested here's a URL that will lead you to the place where you can download 2 free songs. (Most of the text in that page is written in finnish, but the download images/links are easy to find.)
PS. There's a "hidden" classic inside the song "8 Alas 21."
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I'm glad that you liked it Cazlab. I'm currently composing a new track that has influences from Castlevania and Zelda. I'll Bump this thread when it's finished.
I could also enter to the IRC channel, since you all should like this kind of music quite much. :)
My favourites are:
Chrono Triggers Guardia Forest, Ocean Palace and Too far away times.
Terranigmas Underworld Theme, Port Theme and Greecliff Theme.
and Secret of Evermores clear Nr.1 is Hall of Collosia, Queen Bluegarden and Puppet Show Theme.
You have good taste, although I can't believe you left out the overworld theme from Terranigma.
And this once again proves my theory that [strike]Germans love David Hasselhoff[/strike] forest music is almost always the best music in an RPG.
Mazzic wrote:
One game that has realy good music but never seems to be mentioned in discussins is Romancing SaGa 3 to SNES. It's a SFC though so that might have something to do with it...
RS3 doesn't have much variety in its music, but thankfully the ones you hear more like the intro and town/overworld music are pretty good. And the game itself is very underappreciated but Westerners tend to run away screaming from everything SaGa, due to words like "Unlimited" that sometimes precede them.
RT-55J wrote:
Games with awesome music:
Doukutsu Monogatari
Chrono Trigger
Donkey Kong Country 1/2
F-Zero X/Expansion Kit/Vanilla
Final Fantasy 4/6/USA (5 was meh)...
I appreciate Cave Story as much as the next guy, but there were as many duds as there were great songs. I think all the tremendous love for the game and its music can be mostly explained in terms of favorable context (i.e. being freeware, Japanese, and having chiptunes-like songs).
About FF5, again I see no reason why people would like any aspect of 4 and 6 and not 5 other than context of the video game market (I'm assuming you played the translated ROM on a computer) and the player's growth in life and playing environment. If it had come out on the SNES in between the other two, maybe more Westerners would give it due appreciation. I see a lot of people on RPGamer call 5 the worst in the series, which amazes me.
Aqfaq wrote:
I don't like Neskimos or Minibosses because they leave so much detail out of their performance. They have too relaxed attitude. Great musical skill & equipment is required to produce decent cover songs. Oh well, I guess the purpose of remixes and covers is to experiment & have fun rather than make great music in itself.
Truest thing anybody has said in this entire thread. About the Doom tracks, usually these kind of things are mostly psychological. Also, people often "steal" phrases and chord progressions and such accidentally, although I don't imagine that's the case here. ;)
Cazlab wrote:
I can tell u that if Metroid had the Megaman music it would be my favourite game :> How about Zelda with Castlevania's music? That would be rad as hell!
I bet/hope you're being tongue in cheek, because that music would really sound out of place, heh.
NrgSpoon wrote:
The reason recent game music sucks is that it's mostly ambient, and there no real melody to speak of.
You and I must play different games (PC for you?) because I don't have this problem with recent music being too ambient. "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" But seriously, many old games are 100% melody, 100% of the time, which is even more lame. Ambience may be an acquired taste, but when done right (and it's often not) can even more amazing.
ventuz wrote:
I like some of retro games music, but my favorite song is Mega Man 5 (gb) - nepture stage (track #5 if you get one from zophar), it just impress me that Game Boy can play this song.
For stretching the limitations of the GB alone, Star Ocean: Blue Sphere is very impressive.
Cazlab wrote:
sounds awesome to me :D Castlevania has one of the best soundtracks ever!
http://archive.gamespy.com/e32003/interview/ps2/1002443/
I don't know if it's positive or negative that Michiru Yamane, the current Castlevania composer, is so conflicted with what she wants to do and what she ends up doing based on perceived market pressures. I read an interview after LoI was released where she said something like: "Oh, eventually I decided to put more hard, fastpaced songs in LoI because the modern gamer demands music that fits the mood and tempo of the game and gets his juices flowing for action-packed battles." Combine that with wanting to make a classical music soundtrack and you might get some interesting synthesis, or you might get half-assed work.
Enhasa: Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, FF5 was a step backward from 4 in everything except gameplay (I played all the SNES ones at around the same time, so there's no nostalgia coming through here).
The graphics were worse as I recall, and the music was nowhere near the level of the others (Gilgamesh's theme and a couple others are all that I find to be memorable). The plot and characters are by far the most bland of any FF since the NES days (and I've played on both the translated ROM and the PSX version). And even the gameplay wasn't all good; every character in FF4 was truly unique, and the job system renders everyone in 5 generic. Plus chemists are far more broken than anyone in 4.
Frankly, I still feel that FF6 has possibly the best overall soundtrack of any game, ever. There's a whole bunch of things wrong with it (I feel it could really use a full-blown remake, but that's for another topic), but the music is just awesome.
Oh yeah, and I'm with you on the Minibosses/NESkimos. The only "cover band" I recall liking is Game Over. A metal singer who can actually SING...who'da thunk it? =P
-Josh
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Enhasa: Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, FF5 was a step backward from 4 in everything except gameplay (I played all the SNES ones at around the same time, so there's no nostalgia coming through here).
The graphics were worse as I recall, and the music was nowhere near the level of the others (Gilgamesh's theme and a couple others are all that I find to be memorable). The plot and characters are by far the most bland of any FF since the NES days (and I've played on both the translated ROM and the PSX version). And even the gameplay wasn't all good; every character in FF4 was truly unique, and the job system renders everyone in 5 generic. Plus chemists are far more broken than anyone in 4.
Frankly, I still feel that FF6 has possibly the best overall soundtrack of any game, ever. There's a whole bunch of things wrong with it (I feel it could really use a full-blown remake, but that's for another topic), but the music is just awesome.
Oh yeah, and I'm with you on the Minibosses/NESkimos. The only "cover band" I recall liking is Game Over. A metal singer who can actually SING...who'da thunk it? =P
-Josh
We agree with each other more than you probably think. I was just talking about people who somehow hate it while loving 4 and 6. The plot and characters in 5 were certainly the blandest of the three, although in certain instances (with say Boco and also Ex-death and Mu) the simplicity of the plot allowed it to actually be stronger (think Ico).
5 has the most throwaway tracks I think, but it also has the most beautiful songs in the series (intro, Gilgamesh, the 3 overworlds). About 6, I'm sorry, but I could never really dig Uematsu. I think his games have too much filler and his songs can sound too alike and boring, with the same traditional AABA song structure in every song. (don't get me wrong though, he's still better than over 90% of game music)
I am a big gameplay guy, and I actually think 5 is the weakest of the bunch for the reasons you mentioned. That's why I would rank the FF series like 6, 4, 5, big dropoff. They're all really close in my mind; graphics is essentially the tiebreaker for 6 and 4.
As long as you don't think 5 is worse than say, 2 or 9 or mystic quest, or think that 6's soundtrack is "the greatest musical accomplishment of the 20th century," you're cool with me. =)
Good VGM covers: Group X's Mario (of course) and the Zelda song from SOAD.
After downloading some Super Battle Toads music, I realized I can easily record music off my xbox games. Halo, Ninja Gaiden, and Tenchu have truly excellent soundtracks. And they are on the new gen consoles, so the music out of context doesn't even sound like video games music. I am double impressed with Tenchu. The music is an excellent mix of ambient oriental sounds with some modern techno beats mixed in.
I say FF6 and Secret of Mana have the best sountracks ever. I love almost everything from SOM. FF7 and FFX also have alot of good tracks. I think Chocobo Theme in all it's millions of forms is the most memerable video game song I have heard.
I agree, Castlevania is one of the best.
one of the strangest has to be 1942 with that bizzare drum beat and clinking noises,
and Mappy Land has to take the cake for an annoying repetitive tune that I cant get out of my head to this day
