I'll start with my Special Thanks because that's easy to do.
N?K for being a great partner for Tekken but not wanting to do this project as doing lucky is a pain in the ass to deal with. AKheon for his update to Tekken Advance which introduces the change for fighters, 2 rounds to 1 for speed.
Anyways, what is this?
Harakiri (Seppuku) being OP. It's Tekken, if you haven't seen the previous or the other version then... SURPRISE! Or, something like that. Paul is shit, let me just remind everyone about that. Paul is slow and sluggish and he doesn't have the fastest kill in Tekken 2/3 leave that for Yoshimitsu.
What has improved greatly is how to get these low in-game times. The original method was using AI manipulation with movement, but when NK and I were working on Tekken 2 + 3 we found out the Start button manipulated the AI in Tekken 3 but not in 2, so we experimented a bit with it and found out that 48 fights are possible to do.
So that's pretty much it. Instead of focusing on movements to create the luck the Start button was used to change the luck instead.
Note: The mucking around when Paused does not change the luck in any way. It's done for entertainment. I know right, entertainment in a thing which is focusing solely on speed and not the entertainment, it's a real shock.
The one fight which will always have the problem is the second fight against Ogre, lag frames will occur there no matter what making the fight a little more annoying to deal with.
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I'm actually pretty amused by the use of pausing to get the low in-game times. Imagine Yoshimitsu taking a time-out (to check his smartphone or something), and then he promptly goes to stab himself. It's sort of surreal to see that used repeatedly without any other kind of strategy.
I'm looking forward to any time improvement too.
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Still haven't gotten around to actually TASing yet... I was going to improve Kid Dracula for GB. It seems I was beaten to it, though, with a recent awesome run by Hetfield90 and StarvinStruthers. (http://tasvideos.org/2928M.html.)
Thanks to goofydylan8 for running Gargoyle's Quest 2 because I mentioned the game! (http://tasvideos.org/2001M.html)
Thanks to feos and MESHUGGAH for taking up runs of Duck Tales 2 because of my old signature!
Thanks also to Samsara for finishing a Treasure Master run. From the submission comments:
Shoutouts and thanks to mklip2001 for arguably being the nicest and most supportive person on the forums.
Is in game time even vaultable? I know of at least one game where focusing in game time would allow an infinitely long real time movie, but 0:00:00 in game completion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfX2KVXlAF4
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ALAKTORN, the update was just created where everything (minus final fight) is 48 frames long IGT.
It was the amount of time to do this. As getting the sweet spot took a bit of time to find.
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Is in game time even vaultable? I know of at least one game where focusing in game time would allow an infinitely long real time movie, but 0:00:00 in game completion.
Its smash brothers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfX2KVXlAF4
I think the rule's for things like games that count down score, 'flawless victory' announcement, or do things like Super Mario's fireworks that would otherwise force a player into taking unneeded hits, wasting weapons, or wasting time just to avoid them, but that said, a cursory glance through Spikestuff's link, I don't know that I saw anything that paused to manipulate luck. Also I'm absolutely sure things like the Super Smash thing you linked or another example, Super Meat Boy's 0.00 timer glitch, would get flat out rejected as a valid goal. A Punch Out run using a timer glitch to go for in game time was also rejected. It seems like a tag in need of clarification.
I think the rule's for things like games that count down score, 'flawless victory' announcement, or do things like Super Mario's fireworks that would otherwise force a player into taking unneeded hits, wasting weapons, or wasting time just to avoid them, but that said, a cursory glance through Spikestuff's link, I don't know that I saw anything that paused to manipulate luck. Also I'm absolutely sure things like the Super Smash thing you linked or another example, Super Meat Boy's 0.00 timer glitch, would get flat out rejected as a valid goal. A Punch Out run using a timer glitch to go for in game time was also rejected. It seems like a tag in need of clarification.
I just remembered this also applies to Super Metroid, but not as extreme since the timer still counts, but a lot less.
The seppuku strategy is quite funny. I was amused and it is short, yes vote.
Curious how such a technique can kill your opponent before it does yoshimitsu. It really makes no sense when imagining that in practice.
Not an enjoyable run (just use an 1-hit kill ASAP against all chars), but it's easy to see Spikestuff's intention in this movie. Finishing the game in less than 9 seconds of game time surely sounds impressive enough. Perfect for Vault.
Curious how such a technique can kill your opponent before it does yoshimitsu. It really makes no sense when imagining that in practice.
He gets the kill because it’s a counter-hit. It requires AI manipulation to get the kill. Otherwise the damage is the same between Yoshimitsu and the opponent.
I don't agree with sacrificing real time in favor of in-game time (as seems to be the case here). I think whatever is the fastest way to manipulate should be used in every round, not only the one method that doesn't waste in-game time.
Besides that, it's nice to see more fighting game speed TASes. Thanks for the special thanks! Umm... I don't know what to vote here, so I'll just go with 'meh'.
I don't agree with sacrificing real time in favor of in-game time (as seems to be the case here). I think whatever is the fastest way to manipulate should be used in every round, not only the one method that doesn't waste in-game time.
I think I agree. This is a nice proof of concept, and it could be linked in a published real time TAS, but I don’t think IGT should be preferable in this case.
No vote. I can't approve of the 1 round matches, it isn't in the fighting game spirit to have those, just because a specific version allows the option doesn't mean it is therefore legit to use. "But we are only caring for speed" but its still the game that we are caring about the speed with, a game where 2 rounds was the norm.
Enjoys speedruns but hasn't actually tried making any yet.
No vote. I can't approve of the 1 round matches, it isn't in the fighting game spirit to have those, just because a specific version allows the option doesn't mean it is therefore legit to use. "But we are only caring for speed" but its still the game that we are caring about the speed with, a game where 2 rounds was the norm.
"Norm"? In a TAS about speed rather than entertainment, the optimal strategy would most likely be used in every round, so does that add anything new? It certainly does for a playaround, but this ain't one. :P
Btw, is the dash forward at the start of the round really necessary? In version 3’s Lei fight it doesn’t look like you’d need any extra distance before the attack.
Also OP’s encode should be updated.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Btw, is the dash forward at the start of the round really necessary? In version 3’s Lei fight it doesn’t look like you’d need any extra distance before the attack.
It's the only way to make the move work. You must be moving (Max 19 frames before you have to restart your movement)
It's Right, Right + 1 + 4 (Right, Right + Square + Circle) (While Moving)
ALAKTORN wrote:
Also OP’s encode should be updated.
It finally has, yay. (Talking about the input part)
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