Posted: 6/11/2015 9:40 PM
Post subject: Need help with trimming video files
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Beed28
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Not sure this is the best place to ask, it's TASVideos, so there's bound to be some wizards, but I'm wanting to cut out parts of a video file, like at the beginning, end, or a scene in the middle, but I've been having problems. Say, I captured gameplay footage with Fraps, at a crisp 60 FPS. I'm wanting to trim off parts of the output file. But the free video editors I used butcher the file down to 30 FPS. Is there any way, if at all, to cut out parts of a video file while maintaining 60 FPS, using free software?
Posted: 6/11/2015 9:45 PM
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Avisynth paired with AvsPmod is your best bet. Avisynth is kind of a video editing scripting language, AvsPmod is probably the best way to write Avisynth scripts. It's not hard to learn.
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Posted: 6/11/2015 10:06 PM
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You can also use something like Avidemux if you don't want to bother with scripting or re-encoding.
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Posted: 6/11/2015 10:17 PM
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This is an example of an Avisynth script: 
Language: Avisynth
AVISource("file name.avi")              # open file
Info                                    # draw info onto the video

v1 = Trim(0, 999)                       # select the first 1000 frames (start..end index)
v2 = Trim(0, -1000)                     # select the first 1000 frames (start index, number of frames)
v3 = Trim(0, -1)                        # select the first frame
v4 = Trim(1, -1)                        # select the second frame
v5 = Trim(FrameCount-1000, 0)           # select the last 1000 frames
v6 = Trim(0, 0)                         # select all frames

v1 + v2 + v3 + v4 + v5 + v6             # combine all results
You can use e.g. VirtualDub to encode a script's result back to a video file.
Posted: 6/12/2015 12:52 AM
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mz wrote:
You can also use something like Avidemux if you don't want to bother with scripting or re-encoding.
That program seemed to do the trick! The way it decodes files is a little annoying, but it outputs properly at least.
Posted: 6/12/2015 7:25 AM
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Actually, the easiest (and still very compatible) way is to use VirtualDub. You drop files right into it, select with Home and End keys and delete segments. If the source is not AVI, this can be used as a pluging to allow all other formats: http://codecpack.co/download/FFInputDriver.html
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Posted: 6/12/2015 7:49 AM
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I don't see how that is easier than Avidemux... In Avidemux you don't need plugins or any other crap to use pretty much any format that you might find. You can drag and drop too, and use its hotkeys. Also, Avidemux doesn't look like vomit and you don't need to visit pages from 1992 to get some simple filters for it (and good luck trying to get anything for the x64 version of VirtualDub. :D)
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Posted: 6/12/2015 7:57 AM
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Well, I said that because I actually never tried Avidemux, while VD is my everyday life's thing :)
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Posted: 6/12/2015 11:05 AM
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Btw, does avidemux simply copy (parts of) the stream from the input file to the output file without re-encoding it? (One of the major annoyances with most actual video editing software is that they always want to re-encode even if all you are doing is cutting part of a video out and nothing more. Re-encoding in this situation is completely unnecessary, extremely slow, and only degrades the quality of the video for no good reason.)
Posted: 6/12/2015 4:52 PM
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Yes, both Avidemux and VirtualDub can do that.
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Posted: 6/13/2015 1:41 AM
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I use Avisynth+VirtualDub to edit video pre-encode (VirtualDub is pretty much just a gateway; there may be better options but that's what I'm used to). Video encoding is done using x264.exe by command-line/batch file and audio encoding with something else (usually neroaacenc or whatever it's called). I use Avidemux if I need to trim or split the video post-encode; there are options to copy input stream (since there is no point re-encoding obviously) but you can only split or set start range on a keyframe (I-frame).
Posted: 6/13/2015 8:57 AM
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FractalFusion wrote:
better options
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Posted: 6/14/2015 1:07 AM
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Actually, now I think of it, Avidemux seems to choke on video files generated by BizHawk's recording feature. The video screen goes greenish, and you can't seem to go to any keyframe at all.
Posted: 6/14/2015 4:48 AM
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What codec ("compressor") are you using to dump AVI in BizHawk, and what settings?
Posted: 6/15/2015 12:45 AM
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I kinda forgotten what codec I used. But I tried another one and it worked fine. Just have to experiment, I guess. Some codecs though seem to crash BizHawk when I try using them to capture, which is frustrating. But now I have a new dilemma. I want to change the video size (like HD), but regardless of the method I use, it ends up being "lossy" afterwards. Anything I'm not getting? EDIT: Regarding codecs, it seems to hate Lagarith Lossless Codec, so that one is out of the question. EDIT 2: Okay, I don't know how, but I seem to have permanently broken the ability to use the AVI writer. BizHawk crashes every single time I try to record with it now, regardless of the codec. And it turns out that Avidemux hates anything captured with the FFmpeg writer. I am having such a fun time. >_<
Posted: 6/15/2015 1:28 AM
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Beed28 wrote:
But now I have a new dilemma. I want to change the video size (like HD), but regardless of the method I use, it ends up being "lossy" afterwards. Anything I'm not getting? EDIT: Regarding codecs, it seems to hate Lagarith Lossless Codec, so that one is out of the question. EDIT 2: Okay, I don't know how, but I seem to have permanently broken the ability to use the AVI writer. BizHawk crashes every single time I try to record with it now, regardless of the codec. And it turns out that Avidemux hates anything captured with the FFmpeg writer. I am having such a fun time. >_<
Let me just say I'm still biased towards Avisynth and AvsPmod so a lot of this advice is going to sum up to "learn those". 1. It depends on how you're resizing it. I'm not familiar with Avidemux at all, but in Avisynth there are a few different ways to resize a video. For sprite-based games (most of the content on the site), PointResize is the best. If there are different resize filters in Avidemux, you might wanna try one of those. Also, it's much better to resize within the native aspect ratio. x2 or x4 native aspect ratio will work better than just resizing straight to, say, 1920x1080. 2. There are other lossless codecs out there, or you could just use uncompressed. Avisynth should be able to take everything, though, assuming you can get Bizhawk to work again.
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Posted: 6/15/2015 1:44 AM
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Guess I'll have to try those. Also, BizHawk seems to record using AVI writer again. Don't know how it's working again, but trying to overwrite a file while its open in Avidemux seems to be harmful.
Posted: 6/15/2015 5:59 AM
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Beed28 wrote:
I kinda forgotten what codec I used. But I tried another one and it worked fine. Just have to experiment, I guess. Some codecs though seem to crash BizHawk when I try using them to capture, which is frustrating. But now I have a new dilemma. I want to change the video size (like HD), but regardless of the method I use, it ends up being "lossy" afterwards. Anything I'm not getting? EDIT: Regarding codecs, it seems to hate Lagarith Lossless Codec, so that one is out of the question. EDIT 2: Okay, I don't know how, but I seem to have permanently broken the ability to use the AVI writer. BizHawk crashes every single time I try to record with it now, regardless of the codec. And it turns out that Avidemux hates anything captured with the FFmpeg writer. I am having such a fun time. >_<
Personally I've never had any trouble whatsoever with Bizhawk and Lagarith
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Posted: 6/15/2015 4:13 PM
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Beed28 wrote:
trying to overwrite a file while its open in Avidemux
Posted: 6/15/2015 4:30 PM
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http://tasvideos.org/EncodingGuide/CustomEncoding.html
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Posted: 8/10/2015 12:13 AM
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What these programs do is simply trim the video stream within the A/V container (AVI, MP4, etc.) and re-pack it into a new file. Often you will run into restrictions with keyframes, as interframe compression relies on a keyframe to begin compression/decompression. Some editors may allow you to use a non-keyframe as your initial frame but the first few seconds of playback will be corrupt because the referenced keyframe does not exist. I know Avidemux doesn't even let you do this anyway.