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Yet another improvement. We are not the type of guys to let our arms down and surrender ;)
Only 3 frames faster but still an improvement. :)
At stage 8-2, not so much enemies had beed killed. The reason, it's to control the randomness and show you how the game is "well" programmed when some Koopa Paratroopa had decided to kill themselves at the sight of Mario.
I have stopped the movie at the axe for better comparison.
Phil: Even if there will be 100 people that vote yes, I am 100% sure it will not be published. At least, it's currently the fastest SMB1 run and people have seen a different way of playing this game without slowering the total time(I am talking about that 8-2 stage which in my thought was original but maybe too artistic for some serious guys). So I am gonna cancel it since it's pointless.
I forgot to mention that our new warpless version that we are currently doing, will be very creative without being like that 8-2 in the warpful version. I am sure you will be pleased.
I woul like to add this game for this topic Forum/topics/2252 It's even better than the published version.
Bisqwit: I don't understand what you are bitter at. You yourself cancelled this submission after a few posts of discussion at the board.

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Posted: 12/18/2004 3:00 PM
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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #476: Phil & Genisto's NES Super Mario Bros. "warps" in 04:59.95
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:02 PM
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If this 3 frames comes from making a higher jump curve before the axe, I'll refuse it.
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:06 PM
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No
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:07 PM
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It's an improvement allright and that's impressive IMO because this game now is, it not already, near perfected. But still.. 3 frames isn't much.
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Posted: 12/18/2004 3:13 PM
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I just compared your new run with Poms run and I like how Pom handled 8-2 over this unfortunately. The thing im refering to is the 1-up mushroom you use the trampoline to get. I understand this is to avoid fireworks but Pom just keeps running which gives a more fluent run at that stage. I think he slows down for a frame or two here and there. But it's just my opinion.
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Posted: 12/18/2004 3:22 PM
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I watched this movie and even though it's faster than the previous movie (by more accuracy in 8-4), one sentence came to my mind which describes my opinion: bad imitation of Pom's movie. [Edit] And this opinion is separate from the following "also" part. Also, I agree with WalkerBoh's opinion regarding the trampoline. Sorry, but I'm voting "no".
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:30 PM
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It's evident that since Pom's movie was near perfect, we must do often same moves. To be original and not copy his movie like you said, we must do different moves like that trampoline. Btw, since there's a lot of free frames in hand in that level, jumping at that trampoline and some other moves was clever. Unless you want a real copy of his movie??
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:32 PM
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I don't agree because I think it made it less fluent.
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Posted: 12/18/2004 3:36 PM
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The trampoline made it look less fluent for that moment, but in the end the movie is actually faster than Pom's movie. Since Mario 1 is becoming really hard to improve anymore, it's obvious most things have to be copied from the earlier movies. It's hard to improve the time more than a few frames anymore, but if someone manages to do that, I think it's worthy enough to be published.
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Posted: 12/18/2004 3:48 PM
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Thinking of that, trampoline was used in the warpless version and no one seems to be against that and now ...!?!?!? What's that non-sense?
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:59 PM
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I just noticed it now and I simply didn't liked it when comparing. That's all
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Posted: 12/18/2004 5:03 PM
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Phil's is faster. I think it should be published. If they were the same speed, I'd vote for Mr. Pom's, but according to the basic guidelines, I'm gonna go with Phil's.
Posted: 12/18/2004 5:19 PM
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"Mehrheit ist Mehrheit" (as Gerhard Schröder said), and faster is faster. Pom is more than welcome to come up with an equally fast (or even faster) one that looks nicer, of course. ^^ EDIT: is it actually faster, though? FCEU says it's 17997 frames, which is more than both your v2 run (17995) and Pom's run (17976). Am I missing something?
Posted: 12/18/2004 5:39 PM
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Phil wrote:
I have stopped the movie at the axe for better comparison...Only 3 frames faster...
Posted: 12/18/2004 5:41 PM
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schneelocke wrote:
EDIT: is it actually faster, though? FCEU says it's 17997 frames, which is more than both your v2 run (17995) and Pom's run (17976). Am I missing something?
Like I said, I have stopped the movie at the axe for better comparison. This is the rule of this game. Pom's touching the axe at 18000 (nice number ;P but slower ). [EDIT] When using FCEU.
Posted: 12/18/2004 5:42 PM
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Ah, OK. Thanks.
Posted: 12/18/2004 5:42 PM
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schneelocke wrote:
EDIT: is it actually faster, though? FCEU says it's 17997 frames, which is more than both your v2 run (17995) and Pom's run (17976). Am I missing something?
At axe, Pom's movie is 17998 frames long. FCEU movies of SMB1 are *always* 2 frames slower than Famtasia movies of SMB1. This is due to how those emulators work. If Phil's movie is played on Famtasia, it's 17995 frames. 17998-17995 is 3. Phil's movie therefore is 3 frames faster than Pom's movie.
Posted: 12/18/2004 6:32 PM
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are you primarily perfectionists or entertainers? The answer to that question decides whether this movie should be published. Also, don't forget the highly competed game called Kung Fu, where time units took precedence over entertainment.
Posted: 12/18/2004 7:51 PM
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Well, according to that logic, I see no reason why Pom can't make a video as entertaining as his current one but as fast as this one. If he had to compromise style for speed, I would be opposed, but that isn't the issue here.
Posted: 12/18/2004 10:22 PM
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I'm voting yes, because: - 8-3 is much more entertaining in this video. - Its also quite nice how those shells commit suicide directly before mario. - Backwards swimming is really cool - Also going under Bowser is really cool though going through the impossible stream of axes is also good. What I'm missing: - In the old video POM is jumping onto a barely seeable platform above the lava, which looks shocking. - Running over the small bricks in 8-1 is not as spectacular as jumping in between ... What I saw in both videos: It seems you are loosing time before the first Warp to level 4 ... I'm sure that you have measured it frame by frame though it looks a big odd. cu Fabian
Posted: 12/18/2004 10:24 PM
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Fabianx wrote:
It seems you are loosing time before the first Warp to level 4 ... I'm sure that you have measured it frame by frame though it looks a big odd.
Pom did it faster than Phil (but the difference bears no consequence due to the censorship rule), but both really had to wait because the pipe can't be entered before the text appears, and the text doesn't appear before the screen has scrolled enough towards the right.
Posted: 12/19/2004 4:08 AM
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Phil's is faster. I think it should be published. If they were the same speed, I'd vote for Mr. Pom's, but according to the basic guidelines, I'm gonna go with Phil's. When you say "basic guidelines", are you talking about your contest to see who can use their superior save state movie making skills to claim $100?
$100 Bounty Event Event One: 'Mushroom Trip' Time Attack Description: From the start of the game to hitting the axe after Bowser, tear through the game as speedy as possible and don't stop for anything. Study up on the basic glitches - you'll need them.
http://www.nintendorecords.com/games/supermariobros/supermariobros.html Or are you talking about the guidelines on Bisqwit's site about how to make an entertaining movie?
Play for entertainment, not for ego. We want movies that are entertaining to watch! We don't want people whose sole priority is to get their name/work in the list.
I also remember a quote from the nesvideos site that said something like this but I can't seem to find it so I'll paraphrase:
Often a movie that is a few seconds faster will be rejected if it is less entertaining
http://tasvideos.org/Guidelines.html
Posted: 12/19/2004 4:40 AM
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Bisqwit wrote:
Pom did it faster than Phil .
Liar. And in fact, I can do 1 frame faster by doing it the old way. Though, in the current video, we enter the pipe at the same time but I can enter the pipe 1 frame faster if I want. All I need is to control some strange randomness in this game which is long and not necessary.
Posted: 12/19/2004 4:46 AM
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Phil wrote:
Bisqwit wrote:
Pom did it faster than Phil .
Liar.
When I was testing it, jumping from the middle pipe was 1 frame faster than using the walljump trick from the third pipe.
Posted: 12/19/2004 4:50 AM
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You were unlucky because in all my testings, using the walljump trick was always faster or equal than jumping from the middle pipe. Btw, Michael Fried, what's your opinion? AFter reading your text, I am not sure what you are thinking about this video.
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