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This was one of my first TASes. I didn't think it would be acceptable due to the ending time, but then I saw ShesChardcore submitted a slower run than mine and was accepted (not published).
Comparing the two side by side, mine is 9 frames faster and was completed sometime in 2022.
Additionally, mine finishes 20 minutes faster due to difficulty settings which will surely be much more enjoyable for YouTube. The dificulty settings make no difference in this run as all content is skipped.
RTA difference is 20 minutes, TAS difference is 9 frames.
Using the default difficulty saves some frames, and ShesChardcore placed Kevin further to the left on the steps, which causes the robot to grab Kevin X amount of frames later. I also have quicker and "instant" (no RTA setup) movement to the entry point, although this is negated in any final time gain as you have to wait for the robot to spawn, but it's pretty. Additionally, I release L on the earliest possible frame right on the edge of the hitbox of being grabbed by the bandits. All in all, time saved. Or rather, it was shorter to begin with. Glad to pull this one from the archives. Hope you enjoy my run.
Darkman425: Claiming for judging.
Darkman425: Replaced with the correct input file.
The current publication spends some time setting the difficulty level to Expert. This submission leaves the difficulty level at the default Beginner. The main difference in difficulties, aside from the game timer, is that there are Expert only traps and crafted weapons. Since the methods are the same for ending input early across difficulties, the menuing to go about that doesn't itself counts as a valid time save since none of the Expert difficulty content was ever interacted with in the first place. However the change in menuing did affect when the robot used for the screen wrap glitch appeared and also saved an additional frame, so both parts are a valid improvement.
Accepting as an improvement over [5108] Genesis Home Alone by ShesChardcore in 00:39.20.
There was a small discussion about which one constitutes having the "best ending". I came to the conclusion that neither technically have the "best ending". There is a maximum rank the game can give by earning over 250,000 points called "Certified Expert". That isn't the whole story since with some testing it's possible to get that rank without actually saving all the houses, just that the Wet Bandits get caught by the police and the score threshold is met. There's also the choice of a maximum score run which would get that title and save all the houses for the bonus points. Whether these theoretical branches would be separate or not is something that only future me should worry about if that time comes.
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Posted: 2/24/2023 10:49 PM
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can we not continue arguments after things start to de-escalate?
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Posted: 2/25/2023 12:53 AM
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Most of the things you asked about were theoreticals, I think we've both said our peace now. Just want to avoid any issues like I explained I believe to be happening, particularly because I enjoy the hobby. The sudden publication was unwarranted and based on outside vendettas.
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Posted: 2/25/2023 1:58 AM
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OtakuTAS wrote:
The sudden publication was unwarranted and based on outside vendettas.
There is no vendetta going on. The judge (senior judge at that) had signed off on the run to be published, and therefore it got published. The process of publication was already well underway when this submission was submitted, and staff decided that publishing anyway was better than aborting all the work (and decided that this is generally a better way going forward, rather than what was done in 2019 and previous years). As I commented in my last post, the publication of that submission has no bearing on the judgment of this one. Even if there was a vendetta, there would not even be any adverse effects caused by publishing ShesChardcore's submission.
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Posted: 2/25/2023 3:59 AM
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Just going to back up Noxxa's post, here. Yes, the publication was my decision: To further clarify my statements: I was aware of this run's existence from the post made in the other submission's thread, and I was hoping this run wouldn't be submitted before that run was published, but Spike was held up on publishing for various reasons and couldn't process it until, unfortunately, very near the time this run was submitted. Also, I never liked our past policy of rejecting runs that were improved after having been accepted and claimed for publication. In fact, that situation is quite literally the only time I have ever had a full run of mine rejected. In a way, that actually does make the publication the result of a vendetta: The one I have against our old, harmful, elitist site policies. And yeah, at the end of the day, the publication does not affect this one in any way. Even if it had been rejected, it still would have been used as a direct point of comparison. The only change the publication could possibly make is the judgement note on this run saying "accepting as an improvement" instead of just "accepting".
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Posted: 2/26/2023 10:15 PM
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Hopefully my confusion is understandable. It seems aimed a certain way. Nonetheless, it's just a TAS and I'm just looking forward to having it published. Or whatever. Just glad to continue submitting here.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 8:07 PM
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Noxxa wrote:
And yes, the reversal (with regards to previous precedent) of how that submission was handled (and how future cases like this should be handled, when the submission is already accepted) should have been clearly documented and outlined in the rules. This should be done soon.
https://tasvideos.org/Wiki/PageHistory?path=MovieRules&fromRevision=54&toRevision=55
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Posted: 3/2/2023 3:31 PM
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feos wrote:
https://tasvideos.org/Wiki/PageHistory?path=MovieRules&fromRevision=54&toRevision=55
that makes a lot of sense and i much prefer it over sniping accepted submissions.
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Posted: 3/14/2023 6:12 AM
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [5164] Genesis Home Alone by OtakuTAS in 00:39.05
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