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In a world where a TAS explanation of Super Mario 64 has 8,500,000 views, I thought it would be cool to consider uploading voice commentary to the TASVideosChannel. Right now any voice commentary is tucked away in alternate encodes in the fine print of submissions and publications, and I don't know that I've ever even used this function to watch a movie, let alone a commentary. I think this would be a big draw for the community and the outsiders alike, and focus a little more on teaching people what is going on and talking about general TAS knowledge, not only entertaining the viewers, but educating them, and most importantly, potentially drawing more users to the community. There is a big communication gap on all the work that goes into TASing, and then some, and I think this would help inform and educate viewers and get them a whole lot more interested in what we do. The popularity of speedrunning and TASing continues to grow (I remember in the early 2010s when AGDQ was in a basement, I was speedrunning around then), but it continues to baffle me that Bismuth can rack in millions of views and the TASVideosChannel is currently averaging 5,000 views per video "on a good day". I think also the obligation for the editing should be on the submitter, as I believe being able to pause/play the run to go over things would be beneficial as opposed to having to talk fast to cover all that is happening.
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(Also not sure what the history of the ancient defunct WebNations channel is or who even owns that, but if that's affiliated with somebody in charge here who has the password, could serve as a good "second channel" if it isn't agreed to do this on the main channel)
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OtakuTAS wrote:
(Also not sure what the history of the ancient defunct WebNations channel is or who even owns that, but if that's affiliated with somebody in charge here who has the password, could serve as a good "second channel" if it isn't agreed to do this on the main channel)
WebNations is not afiliated with TASVideos or ran by anyone on staff.
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EZGames69 wrote:
OtakuTAS wrote:
(Also not sure what the history of the ancient defunct WebNations channel is or who even owns that, but if that's affiliated with somebody in charge here who has the password, could serve as a good "second channel" if it isn't agreed to do this on the main channel)
WebNations is not afiliated with TASVideos or ran by anyone on staff.
Yeah I just found that out 2 minutes ago with some searching. Interesting story there. Oh well. I guess in theory a new channel could be made if absolutely necessary, but I think it would fit in well on the current channel.
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Firstly. WebNations is a hack that profited off everyone's work. That account can stay dead. With what you stated there are issues with how the person dumps their videos for their commentary that wouldn't line up with our dumps/encodes as they do things differently which causes a/v to desync on our end (author commentary isn't lost to time, a backup of it exists), or they present it differently with pausing and whatnot (as you mentioned). That's why we usually point to their encodes on their personal channels instead of providing ourselves. We would have to put in guidelines and a request for how the author has to present their audio in advance to their submission if we want to do it cleanly. Certain authors also stylize their work, so there's that as well. Another thing we're waiting on to hit TASVideosChannel as seen on Netflix Anime for instance is multi-track audio. This will help reduce the amount of Sonic CD encodes for instance (different soundtracks), and allow split audio tracks in multi-game encodes such as the recently published Pokémon coop diploma. But again it can land on the a/v desync issue. A better method to showcase these, rather than bury them in the mass of encodes (and classify it as ours, even though it's their hard work) is to actually have a playlist that goes off to the author's YouTube, a highlight sort of thing. The author created their commentary, so they should be the one to have their encode featured to their channel not ours. I personally rather not steal off of others commentary like another hack that previously existed.
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Spikestuff wrote:
Firstly. WebNations is a hack that profited off everyone's work. That account can stay dead. With what you stated there are issues with how the person dumps their videos for their commentary that wouldn't line up with our dumps/encodes as they do things differently which causes a/v to desync on our end (author commentary isn't lost to time, a backup of it exists), or they present it differently with pausing and whatnot (as you mentioned). That's why we usually point to their encodes on their personal channels instead of providing ourselves. We would have to put in guidelines and a request for how the author has to present their audio in advance to their submission if we want to do it cleanly. Certain authors also stylize their work, so there's that as well. Another thing we're waiting on to hit TASVideosChannel as seen on Netflix Anime for instance is multi-track audio. This will help reduce the amount of Sonic CD encodes for instance (different soundtracks), and allow split audio tracks in multi-game encodes such as the recently published Pokémon coop diploma. But again it can land on the a/v desync issue. A better method to showcase these, rather than bury them in the mass of encodes (and classify it as ours, even though it's their hard work) is to actually have a playlist that goes off to the author's YouTube, a highlight sort of thing. The author created their commentary, so they should be the one to have their encode featured to their channel not ours. I personally rather not steal off of others commentary like another hack that previously existed.
That's a lot of great ideas. The multi-track audio thing would be a godsend for this. The only issue I have with pointing to others' channels is just that not a lot of people do it. Maybe if it's at the end of the video as a pop-up like some YouTubers do. I've found that anything in the description, and even worse linked in the description (i.e. to submission details), it's hard to get a lot of non-TASVideos users to read/interact with. Although a playlist owned by the channel would surely help, but it'd still just be something people stumble across at 12 AM and there's no way to really direct traffic to it and I'm pretty sure notifications for playlists are non-existent. Maybe a giant splash "commentary version available in the description" in the beginning of the encode like where the encoder cards are would help. Preferably a separate one as there's already usually a lot going on there (despoa keeps it interesting).
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While the premise of this thread was headed in a specific direction of the original author's leaning, I'm going to hijack it and move this in a different direction. I'm looking at doing commentary recordings for starred and well rated TAS runs and I've been able to work with DarkXoa along with other supporting folks in chat to create a commentary video for [3653] SNES Super Metroid by Sniq in 35:58.31 that I'll be cleaning up and preparing for consideration on the TASVideos official YouTube channel. Here's a link to the Twitch highlight The commentary was unrehearsed but the result was deemed entertaining and helpful to understanding the run. We'll primarily be using this particular video for AGDQ 2024 submissions but it's definitely good enough to release on the main channel as its own video. I opted for a very different kind of multitrack audio; when I performed the recording on my dwangoAC Twitch channel I used a combination of my Behringer XR18 sound mixer, JACK audio patches with multiple sinks, and OBS multitrack audio recording to capture the game audio in one stereo track, DarkXoa in another, my mic (and a secondary room mic) on another, and finally the live mix in another track. The live mix was acceptable but the quality would be better if someone did a pass in a video editor. Are there any video editors out there willing to grab the 1.7 GB file and take a crack at it? Just let me know and I'll get it over to you. Thanks in advance!
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Post subject: Simple video editing needed for TASVideos channel content
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dwangoAC wrote:
Are there any video editors out there willing to grab the 1.7 GB file and take a crack at it? Just let me know and I'll get it over to you. Thanks in advance!
I've uploaded the video file to https://acbit.net/static/tas/SuperMetroidCommentaryByDarkXoa.mp4 - can someone please lop off the false start at the beginning, trim the end, and prepare it for publication on the main TASVideos channel? I can help answer any questions, and hopefully this will be super straightforward. Thanks in advance!
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Post subject: One more attempt at finding a video editor for commentary videos
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Do you have basic video editing skills? If so, please see above - this is one more attempt at hopefully finding someone on the TASVideos side to help publish the commentary video for Super Metroid on the main TASVideos YouTube channel. If we can get a good flow going I'd love to see more of these happen but it'll take a touch of volunteer work - are you willing to lend a quick hand?
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dwangoAC wrote:
Do you have basic video editing skills? If so, please see above - this is one more attempt at hopefully finding someone on the TASVideos side to help publish the commentary video for Super Metroid on the main TASVideos YouTube channel. If we can get a good flow going I'd love to see more of these happen but it'll take a touch of volunteer work - are you willing to lend a quick hand?
I don't mind helping with this one, although I'm not very familiar with Super Metroid and I hope there will be a clear sign of where to cut at the beginning (like "3-2-1-Go" start) and at the end for me to know where exactly to cut the video/audio
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I'm very thankful for Dimon12321 who edited the encode. It's currently up as unlisted for review and tweaks to make sure we got the attribution and other particulars correct. Here's the video: Link to video
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