Hey, I intend to learn some ASM to play around with some basic hacking... since there are so many coders around here, anyone can point me to a good website/tutorial where I can get more information? Hmmm, and are there any recommended tools that would be useful to me?
Any help is appreciated :) thanks
There are a LOT of different assembly languages. x86, x86_64, MIPS, PARISC, POWER, NES, SNES, TI, etc. . . I'm in a assembly programming class now, and we're learning MIPS, but its not focused too much on the programming itself, and more machine organization, so I don't have too much help.
I'd say try to narrow it down to what platform you want to use.
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It's simple- ASM isn't for idiots. :D
Romhacking.net has all sorts of guides, ranging from beginner to advanced, for whichever processor(s) you're trying to learn.
It's simple- ASM isn't for idiots. :D
Romhacking.net has all sorts of guides, ranging from beginner to advanced, for whichever processor(s) you're trying to learn.
Going there to take a look now... will check out the guides to see how it goes. Hope it's not as crazy as it sounds o.O
that book sounds REALLY old. It's talking about shrinking progams to fit on floppy disks and refers to 32MB as a lot of RAM. I also started looking through the intro, but it seemed to be too outdated to be really worth my time.
I agree there are some advantages to assembly, but especially with such well optimized compilers, and high performance computers, I don't think the performance increase for most applications is noticeable.
That said, there isn't a C compiler for NES, that I know of, so if you want to write NES games, you'll need to learn assembly.
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Some things don't change. You wouldn't want to read a book that old on OOP but it looks like it'd be a great resource if you wanted to get into x86 assembly. You'd want to stop once it got into the more DOS-specific areas, but by that time you'd certainly know enough to get you some basic hacking skills.
If you want to learn about ROM hacking, you'd do better with a source specific to your system of choice's CPU.
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Dromiceius wrote:
It's simple- ASM isn't for idiots. :D
Actually, it's like you (the programmer) are a professor and you have to teach something to an extremely idiot student (the CPU). The main problem is that you must do that in his own idiot language...
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Bisqwit wrote:
Actually, it's like you (the programmer) are a professor and you have to teach something to an extremely idiot student (the CPU). The main problem is that you must do that in his own idiot language...
Haven't seen a better explanation for years. :D
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This is an excelent place for books:
(or should I say "source of e-books"?)
http://www.itebookhome.com/
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
You can find probably find more recent versions here. Just check out the "Art of Assembly" link.
pirate_sephiroth wrote:
Actually, it's like you (the programmer) are a professor and you have to teach something to an extremely idiot student (the CPU). The main problem is that you must do that in his own idiot language...
I find assembly quite logical, actually. You have to do everything one step at a time, like a proof or something.
Sorry for taking so long to reply. I think I am going to start with some basic assembly for windows, mainly for doing debugging work and stuff. If the language is quite alike to that of NES/SNES assembly, then I may carry on with rom hacking... Still, going to take a while before I get used to looking at all the code, deciphering what is going on in all the registers is confusing :S
Actually, it's like you (the programmer) are a professor and you have to teach something to an extremely idiot student (the CPU). The main problem is that you must do that in his own idiot language...
I find assembly quite logical, actually. You have to do everything one step at a time, like a proof or something.
That doesn't contradict P_S's statement at all.
Actual idiots are quite often unable to take a statement non-literally.
The difference between that and a computer, however, is that a computer will do only what you instruct it to, whereas an idiot will assume whatever has not been prohibited is allowed.
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