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Nice run. Definitely entertaining, and the L+R movement trick opening up some new routes on top of being generally fast makes some nice differences from the NES version.
Yes vote, and definitely worth its own publication.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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What's a Dream Team Contest result without having the whole race compiled in one video?
Horse race encode, featuring all 5 submitted results in one video, is up now:
Link to video
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Welcome to the staff, slamo and Dacicus!
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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For DTC5, I enforced timing by first frame that credits appeared, disregarding final input time. You could make arguments in either direction for what sort of ending would be best to go for, but in any case a contest should have a single defined timing point, to prevent situations where movies go for different sorts of endings and render themselves incomparable with each other.
FatRatKnight wrote:
Simply, the file we submit reports the length of inputs. It doesn't report when the credits take hold. It's therefore easier to compare input lengths than credit times.
You have to run through each movie file anyway to ensure that it reaches the ending without breaking rules, so at that point timing the exact point of credits doesn't take a lot more effort. It's best to be thorough in any case.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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MUGG wrote:
http://tasvideos.org/3218M.html
I think the fastest completion tag for the 4:41 run should be removed. The only reason it is faster than the newer run is because of less accurate emulation.
The tag is about branch/goal choice, not about whichever movie has the actual fastest run-time. Therefore the flag is on both the current and the obsoleted movie, as both movies aim for fastest completion (and are/were considered fastest completion at the time of publication)
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Excellent improvement. The Catoblepas warp setup looks really smooth now, and the new Graham strategy looks funny. Clear yes vote.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Spikestuff wrote:
geod wrote:
I should quote the Zelda post instead :(
Zelda is using FCEUX...
Which is neither FCEU-mm nor BizHawk.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Well, as the submission page that you posted in your previous post shows, the submission entry itself was only added in 2007 (and by then-NesVideoAgent, not Yy). The associated forum topic shows it first appearing in 2004. Then the publication itself was also created in 2004. Obviously the movie itself was then backdated to 2000, but I don't know where that was sourced from. Only Bisqwit may know.
I don't know why the submission finder shows its submission date as 2000. It should technically display 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I'd be quite amazed if Yy did submit a movie in 2000 to a site that did not exist until 2003. You may want to read the submission info a bit closer ;)
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I voted no. I didn't find the way the cheats are used here entertaining. I get the impression that this game features plenty of room for interesting techniques and glitches to travel through worlds in interesting ways, but this movie doesn't really show it for me. I'd be interested in seeing a TAS that shows more of the game being played, but that may be just me.
As others have stated already, the rule on cheats isn't strict, but exceptions are rare, and they depend on what the movie aims to achieve with it. Cheats abused to get a faster record than normally possible are generally considered, well, cheating, and henceforth usually aren't accepted here.
A few people have brought up Biker Mice from Mars, but besides the fact that that movie was judged and published more than ten years ago under a different judging system; it's not a straight up speedrun, but it's more of a demonstration (and is tagged as such). It doesn't aim to get the fastest speedrun time for the game, but it aims to show off ludicrous speed and inhuman course control. Likewise, Mega Man X's password glitch run, also mentioned, is also tagged as demonstration, and doesn't have the Fastest Completion flag, because it's not considered a speed record.
Now, I fully respect the BfBB RTA community's interest in running this category, and of course they're free to run whatever they like and compete at whatever they like. However, TASVideos has a global set of rules to cover all the games it features, not just this one, and disallowing in-game codes/cheating in most cases is one of those global rules.
Based on the posts I've read so far and based on what I'm reading from the poll, it seems the TASVideos community generally agrees with the TASVideos rule here. It's fine if the BfBB RTA community likes having in-game code categories, but the TASVideos community is a different one, and clearly they largely have a different opinion on what constitutes acceptable cheat usage.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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HappyLee, people have been suggesting to you to upload the movie file to userfiles and then link it in the forum thread for the game (or even make a thread of its own in off-topic) - there, people would be able to see it easily, and would be able to comment and discuss about it just fine.
Since you decided to make a submission despite not intending for it to be published (and thereby breaking submission rules), now all the talk is about the fact that you submitted it, and nobody has commented anything about the bot or movie itself.
I recommend that you drop the topic here, as it is leading to nothing but drama, and make a new post in the right place instead, so that it can be discussed properly. This submission topic is going nowhere.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Archanfel wrote:
HappyLee wrote:
I've seen TASes done partially by a bot before, this might be the first full-length TAS done entirely by a bot, so it might mean something, or not, I don't know.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I concur, I'm glad to see this submitted. Even if there's room for potential improvements (like the stage order of the last three stages), I think it's a good enough effort. Yes vote.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Arc wrote:
How do you explain this?
It appears I made a mistake with the tier while attempting to set the fastest completion flag for the any% movie. It should be in Moons, which I've corrected now. Thanks for reporting.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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EZGames69 wrote:
I can pretty much tell from how the audio in the dump turned out that you used FCEU instead of FCEUX. or at least a version of FCEU that has this issue.
That happens in FCEUX as well, at least if you use turbo instead of regular speedup while dumping.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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PickelNinja wrote:
It's my first tas and I've been trying to get a 380 coin cache, but I've been missing it by a few frames, is there anything I'm doing wrong?
Without any input file or even a video file, nobody can tell what you might be doing wrong. You may want to upload your work-in-progress input file to userfiles so others may see what you are attempting.
In any case, the input file of the published TAS is freely available, so you could inspect its inputs and see what it is doing that makes it faster than your attempts.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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pachunka wrote:
Is it a requirement that a publication have an 'offical' TASvideos encode, or is it only a convention?
I remember back before YouTube was a 'big thing', you had to load up your own emulator and ROM and get the movie going on your own. The inclusion of YouTube and torrent links became a huge convenience, but is it a requirement? (or maybe there was ALWAYS a torrentable encode and my memory's letting me down)
I ask because this mightn't be the last time a publication gets held up over an encode, and there could be an exception when a run that's been judged gets stuck in limbo. Or the embedded YouTube videos that currently are *in* the submission text could be used as 'substitute encodes', with a label on the submission saying an accurate encode is [currently] unattainable.
Sorry if this is too off-topic for a specific movie - if there's somewhere else I should be going to talk about 'publication rules' I'll take all this there.
Video encodes have always been integral to TASVideos publications. (In fact, providing easier watchability for TAS movies by AVI encoding is one of the core reasons TASVideos was founded back in 2003). YouTube videos of course became a requirement years later, but just getting a servicable video file has always been a core requirement of TASVideos publishing.
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http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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[19:52:33] <Dacicus> Does it give an error message after dying?
[19:54:20] <feos> ah sorry, U added pause at the end
[19:54:21] <feos> lol
[19:54:24] <feos> IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[19:55:37] <Dacicus> pause? There was no pause in what I posted
[19:55:46] <feos> IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[19:55:51] <feos> please meet my fingers
[19:55:58] <Dacicus> oh, right
[19:56:02] <feos> they misspess absolutely fucking everything critical
[19:56:08] <feos> seee?
[19:56:23] <feos> I have no control
[19:56:32] <Dacicus> Quite worrisome if they add random "pause" to things
[19:56:45] <feos> Dacicus: I added it at first
[19:56:53] <feos> I
[19:56:58] <feos> it means I did it
[19:57:00] <feos> not U
[19:57:03] <feos> not fuckiong O
[19:57:05] <feos> NOT *
[19:57:07] <feos> NOT8
[19:57:11] <feos> IIIII
[19:57:38] <feos> I won't end well
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Please don't derail serious discussion topics with joke/troll posts.
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I'm in!
Featuring The Rockmen, including me, EZGames69, and Tremane.
EDIT: Also with BrunoVisnadi!
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I've done some research on difficulty/completion criteria of this game.
Interestingly, the level layouts actually are not based on difficulty - instead, they're randomized by RNG (RAM: 0x03C8-0x03C9). The RNG runs once per frame during the difficulty selection screen (the only place it can be manipulated, by adding frames), and a few times before a new room is generated. This is what decides the random obstacle layout/height graphics in every room, and it's not tied to any difficulty setting, loop amount, or the like.
Besides that, I went through multiple loops afterwards on skill 4 and did not find any other difference (or difficulty change) between loops. Bat/enemy speed remains the same, and the amount of rooms that has to be passed remains the same. Since the only thing that changes is randomness, and not difficulty, there's no reason to run more than one loop.
Aside from that, me and EZGames69 found a few improvements near the end of the run, adding up to 73 frames saved (most of it saved with better jumps towards Smurfette). The new movie file is here.
EDIT: Another improvement, using better RNG manipulation for the level layouts: 13 frames saved
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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As of now, Linux TASes made using libTAS are officially supported for submission on TASVideos.
libTAS is a program for Linux which creates an intermediate layer between the game and the operating system, in order to provide TAS tools such as frame advance, savestates, and input recording, and providing a graphical interface to the user with tools such as an input editor and RAM watch/search. This type of tool is known as an API translation layer (trans-layer), and should not be confused with an emulator.
More information about libTAS is available here. We also have a discussion subforum for libTAS.
Note that the TASVideos movie rules have a few specific rules for libTAS movies. Be sure to read these rules for libTAS movies if you intend to submit a libTAS movie to our site.
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Excellent to see how much more this game can be perfected after all. Obvious yes vote.
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I agree with EZGames69. I don't think "coins" is a good label. I have a few issues with it:
• It is in itself a very undescriptive label. "Vault" makes sense for a tier whose purpose is archival of records. "Coin" says absolutely nothing. Oh yeah, it's a common item in Mario games...okay? It's too outlandish as a reference. It would be impossible for a site lurker to understand its purpose without having to read up on a page or two.
• The Super Mario World connection isn't even that obvious, because star and moon are both primarily known as celestial objects, and their role as such is used to describe their relative greatness (see also below point). Even if their icons are based from Mario games, their role isn't. "Coins" don't really fit in this comparison role here - they're just there being a reference for the sake of being a reference.
• Even within that connection, the tier ordering doesn't even make sense. In Super Mario World, a Moon (3-Up) is rarer and more valuable than a Star. If our entire tier naming scheme were to be named after a specific game, it should at least not contradict the actual hierarchy within said game.
feos wrote:
EZGames69 wrote:
An argument I hear about naming Vault to "Coins" is to make the tier system Mario themed. However this site isn't MARIOVideos, it's TASVideos.
Yes, we use graphics from Mario for some icons and some background elements. Do we really need to start naming our movie structure after it as well? Does everything have to be a Mario reference?
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Horse race encode, featuring all 5 submitted results in one video, is up now:
Link to video
