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Mitjitsu wrote:
In Smash Bros Brawl your attacks become less effective the more you spam them.
I'm pretty sure this one is pretty obvious and not at all hidden. It's also in every Smash game.
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evknucklehead wrote:
Is there a reason why the European version is used? The submission doesn't say anything about it.
The SMS version of the game was only released in PAL regions (Europe and Brazil).
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Unknown394 wrote:
The human fingers can't press A on the exact frame Mario lands on the wall.
Sure they can, it just requires a fair amount of practice. Conceptually it's not any different from, say, one-frame links in fighting games, which top players can do with some amount of consistency.
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dan wrote:
At 36:18, you enter the red palace and immediately go down two floors on the elevator. Is there a reason why you cannot crouch stab on the first screen like you do almost every other time you are going down an elevator?
The point of crouch-stabbing in elevators is to change your horizontal position (to get you a little bit closer to the desired exit). If the goal is just to go further down, there is no need to crouch-stab.
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Looks like there's a fair agreement that this would be a separate category (warped/glitched) from the currently published runs. It's different enough from the normal Grant run in quite a few ways, so each category remains distinct while viewer response looks good still for all of them.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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grassini wrote:
On SpeedDemosArchive.the people who judge the runs are people who know the game thoroughly or if it's too obscure, at least casually.A lot of judging used to go slow for more obscure games because it's hard to find people familiar with the possibilities.If you don't know the game,you're not part of the decision.
This would be logistically impossible for TASVideos for multiple reasons (including size of community, obscurity of games, and tighter verification checks). Besides which, that still would not fix audience response, nor cause anything else magical to happen that would make this movie a better choice for publication than it is now.
Dark Noob wrote:
@Samsara
What do I just need to be banned by you? Because by what I noticed I can't defender myself or further, the words have hurt you too much. Feel free to ban me anytime, I really don't care about it. Do it right now because won't be this your position as " judge" that will make me hold back of my way of thinking. Don't threat me, if I'm on your target, So pull the trigger. Defending ourselves against these arguments is considered a kind of insult. Sorry! That's definitely nonsense "judge"!
This conversation got old hat for me.
Please stop acting so overly dramatic. Nobody has talked about banning anyone, and Samsara has no authority of banning people from the site (that is not a judge's job). What Samsara said is that if you do not want to submit here or be here, then it is your own choice to leave.
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Two people have already explained why they gave no or meh votes to this run. They were not sufficiently entertained by the submission. Entertainment is subjective, so it happens. You cannot force people to be entertained. No matter what you think if their votes are "justified" or not, they are still their own feelings and personal opinions, and they are still valid. You cannot invalidate someone's subjective opinion on entertainment.
Just because the votes here represent a different audience than what you seem to be used to elsewhere, does not mean that their opinions on their own sense of entertainment are invalid. It is just a different audience, one that is less familiar with the intricacies of this game, and therefore is less entertained with a run that has none of, for instance, the glitchiness of Mortal Kombat, or the chaotic pace of Marvel. Yes, it is a different game than those, but that does not mean that people can't or won't still see this run as lacking when other playarounds have entertained them more.
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Both of these emulators use the same GB emulation core (Gambatte), and timing-wise are pretty much compatible with each other (with some effort, it's possible to convert movie input logs from one emulator to the other), so there's no difference there.
It really is a matter of preference between which set of emulator tools you like more or works better for you.
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Great to hear that the run is scheduled to come soon. I'm sure that lots of us have been anticipating any sort of new news about this run, so it's nice to receive an update. Looking forward to it!
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I stumbled upon this game and decided to make a WIP of this myself. I feel like it's probably improvable, the game is pretty random.
Link to videoCaterPie
This beats arandomgameTASer's WIP by 1842 frames, most notably by not taking the alternate route in Act 2, and in general by collecting all foods in an act at once instead of having a long delay every time foods are collected.
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Synx wrote:
lMy guess is people are either too afraid to get involved or have disregarded the run as not happening.
Or they're just patiently waiting while the TASers are busy with real-life efforts. Imagine that one.
Also, the discussion you mentioned is not deleted, it was moved, and it definitely was not an informative, productive or even on-topic discussion. It just derailed the topic into personal attacks of various sorts.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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WIP 5, the last WIP before submission, is up:
Link to videoFireManV2.PIE
The FireManV2 bossfight is kind of dumb. There are two possible patterns for him to start with; one is to shoot fireballs, and the other is to shoot a fire shockwave along the ground. During the latter, he doesn't take special hitstun from strong attacks (which would take 76 frames of invincibility rather than 32, and change his attack pattern into doing a two-sided fire shockwave that also gets in the way a lot), so that's the more efficient pattern, but after the fire shockwave he'll jump with a flaming sword and then jump again, and around this time is where I get his HP to zero. However, bosses don't start their death animation/dialogue until they hit the ground, which means that the battle is effectively stuck on a frame rule. I could've used an Atk+20 to defeat him with one hit less here, but it would make barely a difference, so I finish him off with an uncharged buster shot instead. Looks sort of silly and inefficient, but the chip is better used later on. And the alternative boss attack pattern would still have been even slower.
Still, the battle is plenty fast, with all the charged Aqua shots, SoniWaves and M-Cannons that I've stocked up for this fight. There were various ways to go about using all of these weapons, but this pattern I ended up with ended up being most efficient - focused a bit more on getting as many charged Aqua shots out as possible, having the buster charge time as a limited factor most of the time, instead of boss invincibility.
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TheMG2 wrote:
EDIT: The lighting seems a little weird, not sure what is up with that.
The 3D renderer used is a little different from the software rasterizer (which more accurately emulates a DS screen), that's probably why. A few effects such as screen fading to black also don't work in this version. But at least it has the high-res 3D display.
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Since the game could really use it, I've made an HD encode of this run, with 4x upscaled 3D rendering to make the video look much better than the actual DS. Enjoy!
Link to video
(Also thanks to Spikestuff for an avisynth file with all the screen changes)
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The issue with this sort of category is that most games have respawning or respawnable enemies, which means that the killcount you can amass is infinite, and therefore it's hard to make a definable category that isn't also somewhat arbitrary. Depending on the game or on how the category is defined, it might also get very repetitive.
That said, there have been a few attempts and some successes. Oddworld "maximum casualties" stands out as an example.
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grassini wrote:
how does style change work in this game?got curious by the end of the wip.
You unlock a fixed style change after defeating certain bosses. AquaCustom after BombMan or WoodShield after SnakeMan in stage 4, HeatGuts after FireManV2 or ElecBrother after ElecManV2 in stage 5. Once you get them, you're free to switch styles any time. The elemental part means MegaMan's charge shot will do double damage against enemies weak to it, and MegaMan will take more damage from the element his style is weak to and less damage from the element it is strong to. Furthermore each style has some unique properties; AquaCustom has a shorter charge time, WoodShield reduces damage, HeatGuts increases buster damage, and ElecBrother increases movement and sliding speed.
Normally in RTA any%, only AquaCustom is used, because it's effective against FireManV2 in the next stage. For this TAS I've considered getting ElecBrother in stage 5 instead for the movement bonus in stage 6, but it takes around 10-11 more seconds to do ElecManV2's stage as opposed to FireManV2's and I'm not sure if I'd be able to make up for that much in stage 6 (I've given some more details and numbers in this post). So it's looking like I'll be following the RTAs in using AquaCustom, because it speeds up the FireManV2 fight.
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Kurabupengin wrote:
Can we make this thread sticky please? I mean, I still don't know why it isn't after almost 2 years.
Done.
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It's been a while (after way too much time redoing previous stages), but I'm now done with stage 4:
Link to videoBombMan.PIE
Note that because of all the redoings and some strategy changes, this WIP does not match up with the previous WIPs anymore. The chip layout at the start is different, and I now don't have the Sword which I previously got in stage 3. The WideSwrd is better anyway.
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BizHawk 1.11.7 has been released! This new release includes various improvements to NES and Atari 2600 emulation, trace logging support for PSX, N64 and Saturn, stability fixes and improvements to TAStudio, and various other updates.
More detailed release notes can be read here: http://tasvideos.org/BizHawk/ReleaseHistory.html
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I don't think that there is any question that BizHawk's SMS/GG core is more accurate and that BizHawk is better compatible than Dega for judges and publishers for playback and AVI capturing purposes. All of these are relevant in terms of obsoleting an emulator.
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It's probably safe to say nobody uses Dega anymore. The latest Dega movie submission was back in 2011. BizHawk has cleanly obsoleted it.
We can probably safely stop supporting Dega movie files by the end of the year without any harm done.
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Tterraj42 wrote:
I see. I'm trying to find a good start time to increase the odds of getting an Invis drop, since RTA doesn't start till you start the game.
I don't think the RNG is consistent enough in real-time to be able to pull that off. Entering a room a few frames earlier or later can throw off the whole pattern.
Tterraj42 wrote:
Those Flappy are annoying. I don't know any health or damage values, so it's neat to see how things will change when you can kill them instead of having to dodge / burner them all.
There's a GameFAQs guide to items and enemies, which contains a good amount of relevant information for this. It's not perfect, but can get you a long way.
Tterraj42 wrote:
Oh nice, looking forward to the redone stages!
Thanks!
Tterraj42 wrote:
The final stage definitely has opportunities for Atk+40's. I think the Puffy and Fishy2 enemies both drop them. So you could end up with quite a few.
I noticed this in a testrun. I'd have to equip the Atk+40's mid-stage as I don't have any opportunity anymore of getting them before stage 6 (and using the two (easily) available ones at the PharaohMan battle still saves more time), but if I get a good few of them it will still be worth it.
Tterraj42 wrote:
Do you think ElecMan would be faster than ColorMan? Kid was talking to me about it early and wondered if it would be in a TAS setting. I doubt it'd be much of a difference, and I'd hate to see another restart. Just curious if it was tested.
I did test that, ElecMan turned out to be around 600 frames slower.
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Tterraj42 wrote:
Do you know how the RNG works in this game? Is it purely frame based?
I haven't figured out all of the workings yet, but it is mostly frame-based, although it is slightly manipulatable by delaying a room transition or destroying an enemy and having them drop a chip. There isn't really an easy or time-efficient way of luck manipulation.
Tterraj42 wrote:
Cutting out sword for WideSwrd would be pretty cool. Between BombMan, FireManV2, ProtoMan, and Life Virus, the extra menu should be made back?
The extra menu would only really make a difference for BombMan, as I otherwise get a free menu between each stage. But yes, between skipping the Sword, saving a few hits on BombMan, and being able to one-hit some enemies such as the Flappy enemies in BombMan's stage (there's a stairs-part that makes BodyBurn impractical there) with the attack boost, the extra menu midway stage 4 will be made back.
Tterraj42 wrote:
One small question, why equip both Atk+40's? If you have multiples of the same chip, using one won't clear it from your buttons, it'll keep using them from your pack until you run out.
I actually realized this afterwards, and that this would significantly affect some strategies, so I redid the run from the start of stage 1 (which is why progress has been slow lately). I also saved some frames on improved movement along the way. The new strategy is to load MegaMan up with 5 ShokWaves (four from the Mettaurs in the first stage), 2 Cannons (from the Octons in ColorMan's stage) and 2 M-Cannons (from the Canodumbs in stage 1, as in the previous WIP) for ColorMan, completely eliminating the need to use uncharged shots. This saves two seconds there. Skipping the sword in Stage 3 also saves another two seconds. So now I'm back at the start of stage 4 with about 340 frames of improvement over the previous WIPs. Not sure if I'll upload a WIP of the redone stages 1 to 3 or not, other than getting chips, the ColorMan fight, and skipping the Sword they're not really different, it might be nice to leave them as a bit of a surprise for the submission :)
I also tested some more things up ahead by this point. For stage 5, going for FireMan instead of ElecMan will save around 10-11 seconds in that stage, and I don't think I would be able to save that much with ElecBrother style in stage 6. The upgraded slide is marginally faster than the BodyBurn on average. For reference, normal slide speed is 24, ElecBrother slide speed is 30, and BodyBurn averages at around 28.3 (units are in 16th of pixels per frame; BodyBurn goes 16 speed for 12 frames, then 32 speed for 40 frames). It will save some time, but I don't think enough time to be worth it. I also have attack strategies planned out for BombMan and FireManV2. BombMan will mostly be WideSwrd'ed, and FireManV2 will see a lot of chips being used between charged shots like ColorMan. ProtoMan and LifeVirus will probably be mostly WideSwrd'ed too. I'll need to see how many Atk+20 (or maybe even +40) I can get for those. For both of them, one +20 will save two hits.
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<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
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The problem with the Wonder Boy III runs is that, categorically, they are the same. One is any%, and the other is any% but slower.
The Vault does leave open room for 100% categories that show off more of the game, but they have to be actual 100% categories, not "any% but slower".
And alternatively, the Moons tier allows for more arbitrary categories like "all stages" or "beat all bosses", but for that, the run has to qualify by entertainment value. According to the ratings for the obsoleted movie, it does not.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
