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Kurabupengin wrote:
I don't know if this is a bug or not but... the CP TAS has been published for 3 days now (tnx so much BTW), and it seems it hasn't been registered in my player stats How was it called again..?
Fixed - seems that the publisher forgot to assign the player entry of that movie (dekutony & solarplex) to your user accounts.
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I feel like there's a lack of informative description in the submission text. Literally the only text that's useful in any way about run content is just the list of shinesparks done, which is...not the most meaningful kind of list, really.
In particular for a run like this, what does the route look like? You say it's dramatically different from the RTA WR, how does the route go compared to that? These are the first kind of questions I'd ask with a run like this, and they're not really being adequately answered. I'd also like to see a room-by-room or area-by-area description of the kind of tricks you've been using (other than shinesparks). You talk about non-human, frame perfect, pixel perfect, and speed perfect tricks but again don't elaborate. What kind of tricks were used, were any new tricks used or old tricks used with interesting new applications? This is Super Metroid, I'm sure there is plenty of all this to write about.
I'd like to be able to read about this without having to slog through a five hour long audio/floating head commentary.
EDIT: Invariel's posts also raise an interesting issue: how much input did you copy from existing runs (by cpadolf, and possibly Saturn, NameSpoofer, Taco or Kriole as well), and why were they (especially cpadolf) not credited or coauthored in the submission?
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andypanther wrote:
When I click "reply" in a thread, the posting screen gets cut in half if there are any embedded videos on that page. The left half is the preview screen, the right one has the video players. The vertical positioning is as normal.
I'm using Chrome.
eternaljwh wrote:
Still a problem. Firefox on Ubuntu. For some reason, a significant portion of the "Topic Review" is put into one of the embed frames...
This has been fixed by Nach now.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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andypanther wrote:
How can this be in the vault and have entertainment tradeoffs?
http://tasvideos.org/Movies-C1010Y-Vault.html
EDIT: To give a more complete answer: speed-entertainment tradeoffs are allowed for Vault runs, as long as the Vault criteria are still met (adequately optimized TAS, beating all speed records, etc.). Choosing to do speed-entertainment tradeoffs (generally) has no bearing on category choice and thus does not break Vault rules.
EDIT 2: I'd like to know what speed-entertainment tradeoffs the run actually has. The submission goals mention speed-entertainment tradeoffs but I didn't see any other mention of specific tradeoffs in the submission text.
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Alex76FR wrote:
You can't pass these 3 jumps without sprint.
HappyLee's run passes them without sprint, but it violates another one of your objectives.
Maybe your run has too many objectives - evidently, walkathon and glitchless combined make it impossible to beat the game, as breaking one of the two is required to pass these sections.
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Alex76FR wrote:
This TAS is no sprint , AND glitchless , the HappyLee's TAS is only "walkathon" so in the HappyLee's TAS has a lot of glitches.
Does the lack of glitches make up for the 00:23.11 seconds time difference?
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GoddessMaria15 wrote:
mobilisq wrote:
I'm surprised neither of the golden sun titles have gotten any love around here
There were 2 Golden Sun submissions, to my knowledge. One being Golden Sun-JP and the other being of Golden Sun: The Lost Age. Both were rejected due to not being fully optimized. There's still hope though!
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The Dynamic Recompiler option notes that it should not be assumed to be deterministic, which means that it may cause desyncs. So don't use that.
Other than that, all settings should be sync-stable as long as the same ROM, emulator version and settings are used.
In terms of accuracy, Advanced Bus-Level Timing is not known to actually provide more accurate timing, so it does not matter whether or not it is enabled. I recommend disabling it for the speed boost. The only other thing affecting emulator accuracy is the emulator version, and you'll generally want the latest available version of DeSmuME for that.
Also keep firmware settings at default, unless your run depends on them. They may affect sync as well.
In short: recommended settings are: latest DeSmuME version available, Advanced Bus Timing off and the rest of the settings at default (Dynamic Recompiler must be off).
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Tompa wrote:
I obviously used the settings/versions mentioned, yes...
Anyway, seems like I got it to sync on my laptop. I have no idea why though, as all settings should have been the same.
This is probably because of the aforementioned dynamic recompiler settings, which had a chance of causing desyncs as was previously mentioned.
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I'm guessing it's something that has to do with converting .fcm files to .fm2. Alyosha seems to build his runs on top of older submissions.
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Warp wrote:
With the other tier rehaul discussion some time ago I suggested that the vault tier would be elevated from the "trash heap tier" to a privileged tier where only the very best are eligible (ie. the any% and 100% world records; which would mean that they are not in fact eligible for Moon). I don't think vault deserves its current bad rep.
I have yet to see my criticism to that idea two pages back be addressed.
Mothrayas wrote:
The problem I have with this is similar to what I already stated, you would have Super Metroid and You Have To Burn The Rope in the same "tier". For that matter, it puts runs of the same (high) quality level in different tiers (with e.g. SM 100% in one tier, and SM "Reverse Boss Order" in the other tier) - which undermines the hierarchical structure of tiers, as both tiers are now more or less "equal" to each other. In effect, the whole concept of tiers is now negated, and it just splits the site content in two categories, esoteric goals and non-esoteric goals. It solves the ambiguity issue with tiers, but negates much of their purpose as well, which is to filter out lower rated runs and make the high quality runs stand out more (regardless of whether they have an esoteric goal or not).
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Radiant wrote:
I get the impression that you see Moon Tier as the "bottom bucket" where all runs go that don't fit in any of the other categories; whereas most people seem to see Vault Tier as this "bottom bucket".
So which is it? Is the Vault the category below Moon, which holds movies that aren't eligible for Moon? Or is the Moon tier the category below Vault, holding all runs that aren't eligible for the Vault?
It's not a "bottom bucket" thing. It's the fact that one tier has rules that restrict the categories and genres of runs that are accepted to it, and the other does not. Thus, it makes sense to put these runs in the tier where they are not explicitly breaking the tier's objective rules.
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jlun2 wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
henke37 wrote:
Quite a blatant rule violation. I quote:
Movie Rules wrote:
It must beat the game (1-level movies are rejected).
It beats the game, doesn't it?
Sorry to hijack, but since you're a judge, what to do with a similar situation I encountered? :|
If it is just a menu function that does not require cheats, passwords or unlocks, then yes, it can be used for a run. This would go for both that run and this submission.
At the end of the day, skipping levels like this is a game feature, so can be used to make runs faster. I also think it's similar to e.g. skipping tutorial levels.
By the way, the quoted rule has been rewritten so as to hopefully be less ambiguous now.
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Radiant wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
The fact that it is in that tier by mistake due to the fact that it breaks the rules of that tier?
Ah, I see you've pre-empted the entire discussion here by moving these runs to Moon tier, despite the fact that they also break the rules of that tier :P
I'm not sure how that helps. I think it makes much more sense to set up tiers so that "Vault is for pure speedruns, Moon is for entertaining runs", instead of (as it is now) "Vault is for pure speedruns except for boardgames, Moon is for entertaining runs and for non-entertaining boardgame runs".
I like how you very conveniently skipped the next part of my post where I explained all this.
Mothrayas wrote:
By the same logic, runs that do not belong in the vault (as per hard-set rules), can be said to belong in Moons or Stars too. In fact, elevating them to moons is the better solution because it at best violates a subjective issue, whereas putting un-belonging runs in the Vault is an objective rule violation. There are precedents for handling it that way as well.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
I also doubt your movie is optimized considering the rerecords, but let’s not go off-topic.
It is asinine to think or call a movie suboptimal just because of rerecord count or rerecord ratios. Some games are just simpler to run than others, some have or don't have things such as subpixels, luck manipulation, lag manipulation, multi-dimensional movement/acceleration/physics, enemy hindrance, or such to take into account. Some TASers also have different ways they use their rerecords (e.g. diggidoyo's low-rerecord two-pass method) or different ways of handling multiple movie files which can also cause rerecord counts to be inaccurate. It depends on the emulator too; with emulators with slower savestates or runtime (e.g. jpc-rr) it is natural to use rerecords more wisely and use less rerecords overall. Then there are the emulator bugs of VBA-rr and FCEUX which used to inflate and deflate rerecord counts, respectively.
Bottom line: rerecord count or ratio is not at all a reliable indicator for how optimized a movie is or how much effort was put into it. You can't make any claims on optimality with just rerecord counts.
But let's indeed not continue derailing the submission topic with this tangent.
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Radiant wrote:
<snip>
Reply in other thread (because constant crossposting is stupid).
Also fixed the Solitaire publication tier to Moons because it is Vault-ineligible. (We have previous precedent of uplifting Vault movies to Moons, too, like this run).
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Radiant wrote:
Whatever makes you think this is a past mistake?
The fact that it is in that tier by mistake due to the fact that it breaks the rules of that tier?
Radiant wrote:
Considering that (1) that run clearly does not belong in moon or star tier, and (2) by site policy we never un-publish any run, it follows that yes, this does belong in the vault.
No, it really does not follow. It means a run was published in error, or was assigned to a tier in error.
By the same logic, runs that do not belong in the vault (as per hard-set rules), can be said to belong in Moons or Stars too. In fact, elevating them to moons is the better solution because it at best violates a subjective issue, whereas putting un-belonging runs in the Vault is an objective rule violation. There are precedents for handling it that way as well.
Radiant wrote:
And since the vault contains board games by precedent, it follows that the vault can accept board games.
Error is a terrible thing to set precedents from.
EDIT: This is also exactly a reason why I was aiming to get the four tier system discussed, as it avoids this problem, without relying on the worst kind of precedent-based loophole abuse.
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Radiant wrote:
It has been brought to my attention that the Vault in fact already contains board game runs.
So that strikes me as a strong argument to <snip>
Me, in the same topic wrote:
Or, it is a mistake caused by automation. It's really not a strong argument for anything.
Remember a common TASVideos adage: "Past mistakes do not justify repeating the same mistakes again".
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Radiant wrote:
So the fact that the vault does in fact already contain board game runs should be a strong argument to, you know, allow board game runs to the vault in the first place.
Or, it is a mistake caused by automation. It's really not a strong argument for anything.
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henke37 wrote:
Quite a blatant rule violation. I quote:
Movie Rules wrote:
It must beat the game (1-level movies are rejected).
It beats the game, doesn't it?
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Radiant wrote:
So we had a four-month discussion on allowing board games in the vault tier, that doesn't have a clear conclusion to it. What is the judges' consensus on that topic?
There isn't much of a consensus, as I still need some more input from a few people on the subject (most importantly, the site admins). I still stand by my post in that thread (i.e. I'll only allow changing Vault criteria as part of a larger site change, the proposed four tier system). If you want to discuss this, please do so in that topic.
Radiant wrote:
Anyway, no vote. In my opinion this belongs in the vault, and if it's not allowed there, it should be rejected.
Keep in mind that this run is an improvement to a pre-split publication of this game, which was auto-split to the Vault. Rejecting is therefore not an option without some other (good) reason. Instead, focus on figuring out what needs to happen to the current publication, as the same would likely apply to this submission as well. Probably elevate to Moons by default.
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Alex76FR wrote:
scrimpeh wrote:
Hello Alex76FR
It depends on the system framerate, which is usually around 60. So a frame is 1000/60, or ~16.667 milliseconds long.
On NES, the exact framerate is around 60.0988 fps, so it's probably closer to 16.639 milliseconds per frame.
OK...
So how to calculate the time of the TAS?
If you know the frame count of a TAS, you can find it by using BBCode like [frames]12345@60.0988[/frames] on the forum. It'll show like this: 03:25.41
Alternatively, you can upload the movie to userfiles and it will show you the movie time.
Alternatively if you want to manually calculate the time of a TAS from a framecount, divide your frame count by the framerate and you'll have the length of your movie in seconds. E.g, 1234 frames / 60.0988 fps = a 20.533 seconds long movie.
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[20:19:14] <TASeditor> it sure is sexy when scrimpy smears molten chocolate all over his body
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<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
