They can, although I haven't seen a place where this is likely to save time.
Here's a hypothetical situation for you, Sleepz. I ran 1:10:53'52 in the race, breaking the record. Next year, someone ran 1:10:52'63 next year. He beat me by less than a second therefore I should keep the record. What? He did it faster, plain and simple. He should get the record. Yes, this site should be about fun and entertainment but we can't get sloppy on the competition part. Don't take this badly but I think you're just sore about being beat.
This isn't like a 100m sprint - in sprint, you compete on your own power. You can't beat someone's record sprint time by watching him run and then fixing a 10ms error he did. In TAS movies, you compete with intellect, and you can always learn from other players' movies or even reproduce them entirely.
And having my run beaten doesn’t bother me. My LoZ, MM3 and previous SMB2 run were all beaten, and I didn’t mind at all. Like I said, I was very pleased about the SMB2 that replaced mine. It just bothers me when someone takes someone else’s run, makes a carbon copy of it, and tries to replace that run without contributing or adding something new.
I think most of this has been originated because people didn't know about Phil's project until it was done. If Phil opened a thread instead, saying that he was going to try to improve this video, would you have helped him, sleepz? I think there's no need to answer.
I can easily redo the whole first 20 seconds to look much more different. It won't be that hard. The video won't be faster nor more entertaining.
36 frames in a 3 hour movie is by far not the same as the 8 minute movie.
With the Super Mario Bros movie being obsoleted by just one frame, I don't see a reason to vote no for this submission.
You have no right determining who has the right to vote and who doesn't based on whether or not they agree with your opinion.
But getting away from the whole speed vs aesthetics argument and back to my original point, people shouldn’t rip-off other people’s runs unless they can do something new and actually add some of their own ideas to it. I’m sure everyone’s heard of plagiarism?
Now here’s something to think about. From what everyone posted, many people seem to have the similar opinion of “If it’s faster(regardless of amount) and isn’t less entertaining” to be the end-all criteria for one run to obsolete another. Keeping that in mind; what if someone were to take every single run on this site, copy them move for move(so they’re no less entertaining), and bringing each one down an extra frame or two so all the new runs are now faster than the existing ones. Now if this person were to submit all these runs, would you all vote “Yes” and have every TAS maker’s run replaced? Would you all still be like, “His run’s are faster, and they aren’t any less entertaining. They’re all one frame closer to perfection, I don’t see any problem. Forget the previous run and author, just judge this one on its own merits. I vote Yes!” Then every run on the site will be replaced with a carbon copy run –1 frame, all made by the same author. Now if you see no problem with this situation and would vote Yes for every single run, you’ve lost your mind and shouldn’t even be allowed to vote. But if you voted No because you changed your mind and think there are some exceptions to the end-all criteria, then the SMB2 situation is also an exception.
Plus, I think that is pretty cool, because it encourages looking for all of these new shortcuts. Come on Sleepz, I'm waiting for your version where you beat Phil by 2 frames!
For the record, I don't consider the wobbling an unforgivable sin. I wouldn't want to see it constantly, but it wasn't overly distracting. All I ever noticed was that someone found a way to improve a nearly flawless run by 36 frames, and my hat is off to him. If it hurts someone's ego to lose their record by a mere 36 frames, that's unfortunate, but I'm sure he'll set another record in the near future. Every movie will be beaten eventually. I'm just impressed that SMB2 can still be improved.
As I wrote in irc: you know what pisses me off? when kaitoukid and krieg writes comments like: "I still would be amazed if someone would improve a run by 1 frame". Where is the freakin entertainment in that?!? (Im not pointing anybody here or you Phil)
Well, it certainly succeeded in making an awful lot of people look foolish and petty. Hard to believe supposedly intelligent people care so much about 36 frames. Thank you, Phil. Just for that, you get a Yes vote.
Yeah, maybe they should stop giving the gold medal to the fastest runners and the highest scoring teams and award prizes for most entertaining run and most artistic passing. I mean, why bother going for perfection? Why should we accept the fastest time if the second fastest time was pretty good? Sorry USA, we're awarding the women's 1000m butterfly record to Russia because their swimmers are hotter. Nice swim, though. That was the fastest swim ever. You were one boob job from getting the gold.
If the goal isn't perfection then what the hell am I doing here? The goal is perfection, and you try to make it artistic and entertaining as well.
Funny, I thought sloppy runs weren't allowed. Get the fucking hair out of your ass and stop your god damn whining already. Christ. People like you make me wholly embarassed to be a part of this community. -.-
And remember kids: Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded. .
I am not making drama because adelikat beats me at Punch Out or WalkerBoh beats me by 5 frames at Circus Charlie or even SMB1 that is 1 frame faster than me.
Yes but Sleepz could have posted his new trick in SMB2 thread to tell Genisto about this. In fact, in my video there's more than 1 new trick but most of them makes only 1-2 frames faster. They aren't evident to notice for viewers.
The goal of this site, unless Bis changed it when I wasn't looking, was to present the most flawless run of Game X possible while making it as entertaining as you can. If doesn't matter how many seconds or frames New Version is in comparison to Last Version - if it beats the previous run, it should replace the previous run unless there are glaring flaws in it somewhere.
I don't think it is backstabbing as long as the proper credit is given to those who contributed to the tricks. Thus, if this run is published, Sleepz should be fully credited for his work. In fact, I believe this should be the standard for all runs.
I think this is a good idea, and I like it. Instead of just skipping through the text, I think it will be more interesting if I can read it through, since I'm a fast reader.
By the way, where can I find SandWorms? I'm now at Zio's Fortress.
I still think: Level 3 Up+A Gamble 1X Blue Candle Level 4 Up+A HC 100 rupees Level 2 HC White Sword Level 5 Up+A HC Level 1 Warp to Level 3 Arrows/Bait Level 7 Magical Sword Level 6 Warp to Level 2 Level 8 Warp to Level 1 Level 9 Is a good route.