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TSA
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Joined: 4/21/2004
Posts: 186
Heh, I think people are getting way to obsessed over terminology here. I personally don't care what the definition of Speed Run, Time Attack, of Aesthetic is according to somebody. Because, according to those definitions, a video can be all three. There not mutually exclusive. I think the problem stems from the term "cheating". How you define it is up to you, but I usually took it as "if the game lets you do it, it's not cheating". Cheating is breaking the rules. But who makes up the rules? Is it the game's coding? But then, is something like the Konami Code allowed to give one infinite life or ammo cheating, if it was part of the original coding? Is it just using a device or hacking the gaming? In all honesty, this is an argument that can't be won, and has no point. The point that should be addressed is how to properly filter "game videos" into categories. As in, each video, whether it be with no aid, with the aid of an emulator, or the aid of a cheat or glitch, should have it's own "category". That way, you can group everything and seperate it all. Thus, every type of video, regardless of your beliefs, has a viable place where it has some value. Now, onto the issue some people brought about up "emulators let you cheat". Ok, first of all - as a "legit" speedrunner, I will say a bunch of my ability comes from "knowing" what to do. I play a game over and over, and memorize what to do and what will happen. This is what some people here do. The difference is the "time" you have to memorize. Emus let you do seconds. Real runs can be mins to hours. But then the argument comes down to human memory and the capacity for execution of stored instruction. And this my friends, is a unique person to person issue. We're not all equal, and some people will have advantages. Like sports. Not everyone, even if they know what to do, can execute as well as others. But yes, I get that "emus are like handicaps, they shrink the margin for error, let you record in mere seconds so you can redo stuff over and over". And to that I say, there HAS to be somebody who is just so good at a game, they could do what these runs let you. Nothing is impossible. It's just do you want it bad enough if you have the ability. On another front, the "speed reduction", I'm going to have to take a scretch here and ask a "what if?" What if some day, we have technology to allow humans to alter the flow of time? What if a human, naturally, had the ability to perceive time at different speeds? Should they be penalized for their ability? No. This stems back to my idea. Everything should have its own category. That way, everyone goes home happy, that way everyone has a place. If you wish to continue this debate on and on, so be it. You'll never reach an end the way most of you are going about it. Besides, with this whole ordeal, we're sort of cheating ourselves. I don't know about you, but I first played a video game because it was fun. I'm sure people first made games to make something fun and entertaining (before money...). If this isn't fun anymore, and it gets all argumentative and hateful as it is now, then you've just destroyed the spirit of gaming. ;) Have a nice day.
TSA
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Joined: 4/21/2004
Posts: 186
No, I said I don't have it anymore. As in it no longer exists. You see, I knew 33 mins was not good enough, so I kept attempting to break that. I actually knew I could get around 32 mins, maybe below. But as I was doing that, I got a challenge from another Zelda Player questioning my Ocarina of Time ability. I care more about OoT, so I decided to address his challenge and return to LoZ. I can assure you right now, TG guys have seen this thread and are working on a fast run for LoZ as we speak. So don't worry, a new legit low LoZ time will emerge from them, so you can see what your labors turn out in a non-emu run. Oh yeah, I don't get why Mr. Kelly was implying the Up+A trick is bad...as every TG run has used them. The ruling was it was allowed becuase it is mentioned in the manual. However, when I brought up that ALttP says you can save and quit in the manual, the rebuttal was the original submitter of the first run didn't use it, and thus it was against the rules. While at first I thought that was good logic, I now believe it's not so good. Just make them do another run, and if they don't want to, they dont' want it bad enough. Then again, I don't like the idea of "interruptions". My speed run of LoZ originally was like 40 mins, and it used no Up+A (for TG, I thought it was outlawed). Either way, my philosophy now is just let people see it all, and show off. That's why I use SDA. It's up to the fans and majority to decide what is "the record", not a minority group. TG may never recognize my newest runs as "records" cuz they're not on Tape, but anyone who knows anything about Zelda and gaming will. Sorry if in the past I was rude to the people in this thread (I think I already tried to make it clear I was awhile back). I'm cool with what you do, and I ammended my post on my forum as well as my site about fake runs (you should read it now). Just know, though, if anybody tries to claim a Famtasia run as WR, I will not stand for that. But I'll be supportive of whatever else you do. I'm not in this for fame, I just want to see what I can do. So whether or not anyone else "cares" to see my stuff, matters not. I just want to see what I can do for myself. Anyway - there is a whole 2nd Quest. If you'd like me to help with the route, I'd gladly do my part. But I would use my NES and Zelda Classic programs, not Famtasia.
TSA
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Well, since I don't possess that video, it'd be hard. But I might at somepoint try out your run and see what it turns out and let you guys watch that. I seriously am not holding back anything. We're on the same page in info.
TSA
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Good job Michael. Yeah, Dodongo can move in an unfavorable way sometimes. He usually goes left in the middle...just a tip. Old School's connotation should be like "Classical studies". Old School in the pop sense was what I was going for, which means "classic". So classic studies sounds cool, but if what you said is a better literal translation of "old school", that's cool.
TSA
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To Bisqit - Sorry, I couldn't tell cuz I can't understand. Thanks though for the info. To Michael - Hey, now you're thinking like a real player! Basically yes - You do "sections" and try to perfect them as best as possible, and then string them together in order. So you start on the first part, do it over and over until you got it. Then try adding on more. It's like memorizing a poem or speech. The only difference is things can change on you, so you need to practice a bunch to be ready for any situation. Let me know if you have any other questions or need advice, or just need to see something done.
TSA
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I speak English. I don't speak any Japanese. The fact that you as well as others get it is "Old School" is all I care about. If you wish to HELP me, and give me what you think is the right characters for it, I'd be happy.
TSA
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Bah, Bisqit asked me to remove them. Oh well, sorry about that Bisqit.
TSA
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Well - you don't get "retries" and you have to think on your feet the whole time. It's a little different than using Famtasia. So, yes - it is much harder to do it on a real NES even if you had the ability ;) But that's a given. I'm not saying you're bad Michael. Don't get me wrong. You're really good. I just think you need more work.
TSA
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Heh. Calm down now. Michael got 2:15 from "power on" till "triforce". I got 2:04 in this video (which really should be 2:03 - but a controller glitch cost me to stop and lose 1 second): http://www.zhq2.com/videos/level2.wmv And I easily could have done better. At least 6-7 seconds better. I did do a 1:59 time before I decided to give Michael some proof I was beating his time . You say "so what, it's roughly 12 seconds faster". Multiply that by 9... I'm sorry. Famtasia allows you to make very impressive stuff, which is cool. And you guys could beat some TG guys. But you still have awhiles to go before you can beat the best at this game. And no - I don't plan on doing any runs on this game anytime soon.
TSA
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Ingore that PoS video, please. http://www.zhq2.com/videos/Level1.zip There you go. Use that.
TSA
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http://www.zhq2.com/videos/LoZ.zip Compare it to that. That's the GBA version, but it runs identical to the real thing (only video of LoZ I have online). I thought it might be an issue with the video people - converting the format and having it in Non-Frame Drop mode vs Frame Drop, but it would only account for 51 seconds (not 53 - forgot the 10 min exception) of the run. A good 40 seconds is still missing in the difference. So, use that file, figure out which is the true time.
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