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I'll go and try to find some roms that start you out with nightcrawler and try out gens 9 (9a is what i have been using). If there are other gens emu's that support recording let me know. The pyramid level, What I did when I tried it, was I looked for one of those midgets things (those enemies that roll and jump), and got right next to one of them, jumped and did a flipped (you cant actually flip, but it makes the sound and the character twitches), then teleported with full health and landed right next to him, but DID NOT kill him. I pretty much got as close as possible to him without killing him. Somehow the game thought I was actually on the next level, so it put me there. Its really difficult to do and i dont know if i can reaceate it. But ill work on it. I'm glad I could help you out on apocalypse, 42 seconds is KILLER. Thanks for listening to what I had to say about the tips and all. Oh.. And when I said 7 hits, I was referring to the 2nd time he shows his face. The first time he comes out he only just goes in a circle and I can only manage 2 hits out of him. The 2nd time he actually fights you. As far as gettting it under 25 minutes. No doubt in my mind that you can. I think the fastest time would be.. probably 24:20. But the only reason you could get that fast, is just perfect just about everything. For example, I saw a nes SuperC demo of some guy who did it really really fast. And there werent really any 1 second mistakes. Then phil or genisto re-did it and beat it by 2 or 3 minutes. I played both of them side by side, and basically he just fixed a bunch of crap mistakes and it eventualy added up to 2 or 3 mins. "Oh, and TouchOdeath, go ahead and try on this game. its not nearly as tough as you might think. Just be warned that it may desync from time to time and that will be the true frustration." you used gens 9c, I couldnt find a 9c version, just test9a. Not only that I dont really know how to use the record functions too well, like re-record and all that. I've never really made a speed run before. But 1 thing that bugs me is if you mess up on one part, do you have to redo the whole thing? I just dont know enough about recording in general. Oh.. And I noticed something about the first level, On the 2nd ice wall, would it be faster to go under the ice and all the platforms and keep going right?
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I dont know anything about making speed runs, because I have never made one before. But as far as getting Nightcrawler in the first level heres what you can do. Start the game, and then get in gens and click 'CPU' then click 'reset 68000' and that WILL start you out with nightcrawler. If I remember correctly, when I was little some of the different sega games started you out with different characters. So you could try using a different rom or using a different version of gens. The pyramid level, are you saying you tried skipping floors and couldnt do it? or are you saying that you tried it, and wolverine was still faster than nightcrawler? When I played apocalypse, The first battle I hit him probably 7 times. Then 1 set of balls came down, then he came out after that set, killed him in one or two swats. I noticed in your video though, that after the first battle, 5 Freakin sets of balls came down before apocalypse came out to fight. Oh.. and I tested this withought getting hit with those brown balls at all... but further testing needs to be conducted. As far as beast goes, I wouldnt try to out maneuver anything, just keep swinging, and after hes dead, pick up the health floating in the air. But like i said earlier, after you beat the transformer guy, you have to go from beast, all the way to wolverine. So because of that I dont know if any time would be gained from that. And about the teleport flip thing, your right. After you teleport you cant flip/roll. "sorry if this disappoints anyone. but please, if someone wishes to make it better, do so by all means. when i first posted it here, i wasnt sure whether it was going to be entertaining or not." Trust me, your video was entertaining. You did a good job. Truncated: "Reading trough the discussions is probably a good idea, there are all somewhere in this forum." I looked through the forums and couldnt any discussions, can you link us to it?
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These tips are arranged in chronological order. But before I go into the tips I want to say that you did an awesome job on this speed run. I honestly couldnt have done a better job. Mad props brotha! And now the tips: For the First Level, Nightcrawler can get the job done faster instead of wolverine. Although, Wolverine does make it more entertaining only because of the fact that everyone loves wolverine. You probably chose wolverine because of the 3 ice walls you have to break. The first one, you can break very quickly (2 air kicks, first one can be executed so fast, that it wont even show it on the screen), the 2nd ice wall, you skip it completely, go under the platform, and jump on the next platform. At the end of the level, right before you kill the 2nd to the last ninja, prepare to warp, kill the ninja, and warp onto the wall and finish it off with a mid-air kick. 2nd Level Part 1: Those things that you bust to open the doors, im just going to call them 'terminals'. The 4th and the very last terminal in the level, you can actually bust them through the floor with a mid-air kick (jump, hold up arrow, and kick {the move where he does a backflip and kicks up}). Doing this would be alot faster. 2nd Level, Part 2: 3rd and 4th terminals that are divided by a wall, use the floor trick I described above, accept hit them in this order: The one closest to you, hit it first, as you come down and go back up, hit AND DESTROY the one furthest away from you, then finish off the initial one with 2 kicks. Pyramid Level (The level with the boss that throws rocks): It is possible to skip level with nightcrawler. But if said and done, I still dont know if you would gain any time due to the fact that the main boss will require alot of hits with nightcrawler (I could be wrong). And I have actually skipped a full floor before, so it is possible but very hard. apocalypse (Spelling?) Level: I understand that you hit those brown balls on purpose for entertainment purposes. Thats fine as long as you have ATLEAST one yellow bar on your health meter when apocalypse shows his face. Becauase when you have a yellow bar, your super-move is alot stronger. You killed him in 36 hits, when you could have killed him in 11 or 12 hits (I dont know the exact number). After the woods level, The level with the acidy looking water raising, so you have to climb at a certain rate so the acid doesnt own you (the level color is blue). -- At the end, right after you first teleport to get on the green flat platform, there is another platform where theres an enemy to the left, and another platform to the right. It would be faster to go left, get on the toxic waste thing, and teleport up 1 level as opposed to going right and teleporting. The Transformer boss: You can probably beat him faster with Beast than Wolverine, although I don't know if you gain any time due to the fact that you have to switch all the way back to wolverine the next level, which would consume some time (again.. I could infact be wrong). This last tip is just a general tip. On nightcrawler, I saw only once in the video where you did a diagonal kick on someone, and followed it up with a flip. I think this move can come in handy in alot of the game, but in particular the 3rd to the last level. If your not familiar with it, the move works like this. If you flip, before you diagonal kick, then you cant do it. If you do a diagonal kick, and then a flip, the flip cannot be executed again, but any other move can be. (you basically cant flip twice in 1 jump and thats really the main law of physics on that move). Any Questions about any of these tips feel free to ask.
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ok.. give me a few hours, I have to finish up some work. Then ill look over the demo again and make the changes needed. I'll try not to post any crap corrections(corrections that arent worth going back to fix, like if you took 1 extra step or something of that nature).
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is he still working on it? cause i have some suggestions that could save him massive time.
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I was just waiting a few weeks for someone to post this and do a speed run. I think this could be an interesting run just to see how the player uses the presents. The routes would be pretty simple. If it doesnt have a ship part, then go straight to the next elevator, if it has a part, then get that, then go to the elevator. But anyways.. for this run to be interesting, I think you would have to be pretty creative. But I would like to see this done because this game does infact own. So does anyone have any plans of doing a run on this game?
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Yes, mad props definately goes to bisqwit. Keep up the good work.
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Wow sprintgod. All I have to say about this run is holy crap. This run is INSANE! I swear the more people do speed runs the more ridiculous they become. This speedrun is definately something everyone should check out.
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About the only thing I see that could have been done better was the 3rd level, where you first climb the walls. The guy that shoots out 2 rockets each time he takes a step. I think genisto and phil should have whipped out their lasers and shot each rocket for entertainment. Other than that the whole video was flawless. Keep up the good work.
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awww crap.. your right. Well atleast I tried. Congradulations on your run btw. It was really impressive.
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I think you can go far enough to make it on the stairs if you waited for the snake to go up just alittle, then sneak under him and jump to get hit. You would barely make it but i think you can.
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Ya.. I figured you have already tested it.. so what exactly makes that impossible? can you not get out of the 'hit' stage fast enough to lan on the stairs? oh and thanks for the tip NrgSpoon
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I think I might have spotted something in your run that might save 1 or 2 seconds. but first of all, i dont even know if its even possible to accomplish. From what I have observed, it looks very possible. But i havent tried it and chances are you have probably tested it out. On the treasure level, where theres treasure boxes and gold all over the place. At the end of the 4th screen (when I say 4th screen, I mean when the TV screen fades to black and un-fades to the next part of the level) there are 3 stair cases. They look kinda like this: err.. nevermind... the forums automatically takes out the extra spaces so i cant draw it. Anyways... on the first flight of stairs, theres like a snake on the end that shoots crap out of his mouth (I dont know the name of it.). Instead of just going over the snake and up the first fligh of strairs, instead skip the stairs, go under him and get hit purposely and see if you can land on the last flight of stairs that goes down to the next screen.
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http://athos.leffe.dnsalias.com/ffdshow-20040629.exe this seemed to do the trick for me. thanks phil.
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When i play the video, my screen is the green the whole time. Someone give me the codecs or something. I just want to see it. Any help would be much appreciated.
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thanks josh. Oh.. and btw.. it doesnt have to necessarily be a console type link. As long as it talks about competition then its a good article to read.
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btw, what i mean by 'shit talking' is like when you and your friend or something play basketball. And you or your friend makes a goal and you say "how do u like that shot skank?", and hes like "luck fool". No harm meant by either comment.
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Thanks for the complement, and thanks for the information on david sirlin (ill try better next time to get my facts straight). By the way, I saw your super punchout speed runs, pretty impressive. If anyone else has any good links similar to sirlin.net or anything in this general fashion then It would be awesome if you would post them please. I'm very new to all this speed run stuff so...
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Holy crap that was exciting... you guys should really consider doing this publically. Like a competition for example. and both Players do it live. and afterwards theres a 10 min intermission to talk smack to eachother, then, alittle more half-time to re-strategize their run, and go live(although the re-strategizing might cause a slower run than the original). Anyways.... the idea of doing it publically, is gold. but the specific ideas that I just listed are probably dumb :).
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www.sirlin.net This website has alot of GREAT articles. I suggest everyone of you speed run whores to check it out. According to one of my friends, this guy competed with the best in capcom vs SNK. Hes a retired video game player, but his articles own.
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I think Paul Lucas deserves the title "Father of Speed runs" because he made that shit back in 1999. He basically layed out all the core concepts that we use today for speed runs. Paul Lucas did the speed run because he saw RyanG's speed run. He basically took the motivation from that video, and raped the game completely.