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I disagree. Knowledge has increased, but intelligence has not. People are as intelligent as they were thousands of years ago, if not even dumber.
You underestimate how ingenuine people in the past have been. But it's knowledge that has increased, and this has led into an avalance of new ideas and inventions.
As for the other points raised by people as a response to my previous post, I have to think about it for a while before I reply.
You know, to briefly add on to that I'm still amazed at how ancient people constructed things like the Pyramids (both in the Middle East, and the Mayans in the Americas).
They definitely knew some things back in that time.
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I wanted to come in and briefly share my mindset when it comes to judging runs that don't use the hardest difficulty.
As a still relatively new judge, I've referenced the TASing guidelines and the movie rules, which include the following lines of text (cropped together, below):
Now, I pulled these two statements from within two separate documents, of which each contain considerable content. Perhaps it would be a good idea to give the subject of 'Difficulty' its own highlighted section (i.e. better visibility) in order to draw more awareness to it when somebody is looking through them? I also believe it would be good at this point to expand on the text more to address some more fine-tuned points (which have been brought up in this thread).
With that stated, I have approached the subject of 'hardest difficulty' as a guideline, and have both carefully watched certain runs I've judged, and have read the specific author's submission comments, in order to determine whether or not using an easier difficulty was permissible. So far, I don't believe I have yet come across a submission where I thought using an easier difficulty was significant enough to warrant a rejection, in favor of going with the higher difficulty. At least for the runs I've judged, the reasons given have been acceptable.
Example runs I've judged[2904] SNES Disney's The Jungle Book by Newpants87 in 14:41.25[2908] SNES Run Saber "1 player" by Samsara in 13:05.27
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OmnipotentEntity, I did see your lengthy reply (in which I do sincerely appreciate the time you took to address the objections you found in the video). I also appreciate you making a new topic for evolution. Perhaps there, I'll be able to address objections I have more specifically, and in more detail. My intent on including the Trey Smith video was to provide a bit more substance to my initial response that I'm just not a believer of it.
And to clarify my response of "Basically, the entire belief system", I meant belief system in the sense of one believing the entire body of work of something as being true. In the case of evolution, this would "basically" mean the entire body of work, research, and study that has gone into it. That wasn't me trying to be dishonest, or trying to set up a straw-man or anything unkind. It was just a brief response that was, unfortunately, taken to mean something entirely different.
Thank you for being civil. I'll strive to conduct myself the same.
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CognetoSwitch, I've gotta go ahead and state here that you did an outstanding job in going back through your run and implementing these major time-saving changes (optimizations, strategies, etc.). This run is certainly publish-worthy.
Which brings me to some additional feedback that I wanted to get in this thread before making an official judgment: Considering the fact that the sound is muted throughout, what do you all think about the run's entertainment value? Voter feedback (as of this post) is unanimously positive, as well.
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When you call the theory of evolution a "belief system", then you are using the archetypal creationist straw man, whether you realize it or not. The fact that you show zero respect towards the life work of thousands of people, who have worked hard to increase our understanding of this world, elicits no respect from me.
If you were intellectually honest, you would approach the subject in a more serious and respectful manner than calling a well-established scientific theory with derogatory names intended to poison the well and build a straw man. Even if you don't accept it doesn't mean you have to use mockery or derogatory terms to describe it.
Consider how much respect would you give to someone saying that the Bible is nothing but a fairy tale.
Again, if you have an actual argument to make against the theory of evolution, present it, and we can discuss.
We're just not going to have a discussion, Warp.
As for everyone else, if you have any questions directed toward me concerning the Bible, I'll try my best to answer them and provide clarity.
Also, perhaps it would be a good idea if someone created a theory of evolution discussion thread (since it's getting an increased amount of attention here).
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I don't like the tone of your remarks
When you start to criticize someone's tone instead of the arguments, then you have surely agreed to the arguments. Otherwise you would tell us why Warp is wrong instead of claiming that his tone is something you don't like.
Sorry, Aqfaq. I don't see things that way. If I don't like somebody's tone in a response to me, I'll let them know.
I also don't appreciate being accused of being a liar and creating "straw-man" arguments. I'm just not going to engage with someone in a discussion if that's how they're going to conduct themselves.
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And Warp, I'm going to be frank with you and state that I don't like the tone of your remarks, nor do I appreciate your claims that I'm being dishonest or attempting to present a "straw-man" argument of some sort.
If that's the way you choose to conduct yourself, fine. But don't expect any further responses from me if you're going to operate that way in this thread.
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I went ahead and got your movie file updated :)
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And really, anybody who calls themself a Christian yet still looks to the book of Leviticus for their code of conduct has rather missed the point of Christ's teachings.
And to illustrate more on this point, the prime difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament is the "covenant". Essentially, before Jesus Christ and the New Testament, God operated with mankind on the "old covenant" under the law of Moses. After the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God now operates on the "new covenant".
So now we have this term "covenant" to figure out. If one were to do a word study on every citation of the term covenant throughout the Bible, you'd find that the first mention of it is found in Genesis 6:18. I'll list that citation, with the appropriate context:
Genesis 6:1-22
(1)And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (2)That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (3)And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
(4)There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (5)And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (6)And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (7)And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
(8)But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
(9)These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
(11)The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. (13)And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. (14)Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. (15)And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. (16)A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. (17)And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
(18)But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. (19)And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. (20)Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. (21)And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them. (22)Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
^ So a lot going on in that chapter, but we can see that God established His first recorded covenant with Noah. And we can also see that, in the face of an impending global flood, a covenant with God is something very significant.
Continuing in chronological order, after the flood and Noah's time, God also established a covenant with Abram/Abraham (Genesis 15:18, and Genesis 17) which extended to his son Isaac, grandson Jacob/Israel, and further down the generational bloodline to Moses in Exodus. This was when Jacob's/Israel's descendents were enslaved by the Egyptians. And after God delivered them from Pharaoh and the Egyptians, another covenant was made with Moses and the Israelites. I'll list a more brief citation below, which still captures the context surrounding the event:
Exodus 24:1-11
(1)And he said unto Moses, Come up unto the LORD, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off. (2)And Moses alone shall come near the LORD: but they shall not come nigh; neither shall the people go up with him.
(3)And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. (4)And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. (5)And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD. (6)And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. (7)And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. (8)And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.
(9)Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: (10)And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. (11)And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
^ And, sadly, shortly afterward as Moses was receiving (among other things) the 10 Commandments from God on Mount Sinai, the Israelites rebelled and broke this covenant (Exodus 32).
Anyhow, I realize this response is getting long, so I'll go ahead and list two final citations concerning the "new covenant" in Jesus Christ. One will be a prophecy from the book of Jeremiah, and the other from the New Testament book of Hebrews:
Jeremiah 31:31-34
(31)Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: (32)Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
(33)But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.(34)And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.Hebrews 12:18-25
(18)For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, (19)And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (20)(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: (21)And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) (22)But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, (23)To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (24)And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Again, studying every reference of "covenant" throughout the Bible would give one a much better understanding of what that term signifies (as well as the study of any other subject, as well).
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Numbers 31:17-18 --> Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
How is this not calculating the value of a human being based on her sexual history?
Okay. So we have Numbers 31:17-18 looking at us there. Let us also, though, expand the context on those verses to see if there is a reason given behind that (I'll quote using the KJV, as that's a translation I'm comfortable with and used to studying):
Numbers 31:1-24
(1)And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, (2)Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. (3)And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian. (4)Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war. (5)So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. (6)And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
(7)And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. (8)And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. (9)And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. (10)And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. (11)And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. (12)And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
(13)And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. (14)And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. (15)And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? (16)Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. (17)Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. (18)But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (19)And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day. (20)And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood.
(21)And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses; (22)Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead, (23)Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water. (24)And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.
^ So now that we have a larger part of the chapter to look at, we can see one specific reason given in verse 16: The Midianite women, along with Balaam, caused the children of Israel to trespass against God; which in turn, brought about a plague.
And, going back 5 chapters prior, more details concerning this trespass are revealed in Numbers 25.
And as for the significance of virginity, God established laws to the Israelites concerning sexual conduct prior in Exodus 20 ("thou shalt not commit adultery"), and Leviticus 18 & 20. To allow those Midianite women into the Israelite camp (which they, as Numbers 31 revealed, had already caused the Israelites to trespass against God) would be, essentially, permitting sin.
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Which part of the theory of evolution you think is false? You can quote some false statement from this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
This naturally goes to everyone else, too.
Basically the entire belief system, and the idea that all life originated and evolved from a "common ancestor". In addition to being diametrically opposed to the Bible, there's just far too many variables that I do not see Evolution accounting for in the creating and development of life.
If anyone is interested, I believe the individual in the video, below, can articulate my stance concerning the theory far better that I'd be able to type in words on here.
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Aqfaq, you have a good amount content in your last post, with many questions and points brought up. I'll try to quote those you addressed to me in the order you gave, and will strive to provide some clarity on each. I condensed some of your quotes down also, for the sake of brevity. If doing so happened to remove some context, I apologize in advance.
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How do we justify all that rape stuff? How do we justify evaluating the value of a woman on the basis of her sexual EXP? By saying that men and women have some intrinsic differences? This goes especially to ars4326, who says that the Bible gives great honor to women. How is that compatible with the fact that God and Moses accept the raping and killing of women based solely on an arbitrary attribute that doesn't even have anything to do with gender in the first place, namely the sex EXP?
Aqfaq, I am going to need a Scriptural citation here. I do not recall any verse in the Bible which states or alludes to God and Moses accepting the raping and killing of women based on sex, or anything similar to that.
If you can post the Scripture(s) where you believe that's the case, we can go further from there.
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If women are given great honor, how come Jesus did not have even a single female disciple? Surely that would be a great honor. I haven't heard a plausible explanation for this other than that men and women are "somehow" different. That is hardly an explanation, because we can clearly see that the same explanation could have been used to stop women from voting, which we all agree is unjustifiable.
You're right in that Jesus did not have any women as part of the 12 disciples. I do not, however, see that as any kind of justification to stop women from voting, for example.
With that stated, the Bible does state that Jesus had a number of women who followed Him. Particularly, after the account of His crucification and before His resurrection, it is recorded that a group of women went to visit His tomb. Here are a pair of citations:
MATTHEW 28:1-10
(1)In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. (2)And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. (3)His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: (4)And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. (5)And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. (6)He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. (7)And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
(8)And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. (9)And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. (10)Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
MARK 16:1-11
(1)And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. (2)And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. (3)And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? (4)And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. (5)And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. (6)And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. (7)But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. (8)And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
(9)Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. (10)And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. (11)And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
^ To sum these citations up: While women indeed weren't part of the 12 disciples, women were also the first individuals that Jesus revealed Himself to upon His resurrection. I would say that is a very considerable honor to be given.
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Genesis 2:18 --> The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
ars4326, how is that honoring the woman? Isn't she clearly stated here to have been made for the use of man, a mere tool? This is only one of the 31000+ verses. There are many more verses where it is directly made clear that the woman is the property of man and a tool for creating kids. We can choose the verses any way we like.
She wasn't stated there to have been made as a mere tool, no. The reason I can say that is because the term "tool" is also found in the Bible, as well (four times, according to a basic word search). As for the used term "help" (KJV), here's how a concordance source translates that term from the original Hebrew:
Hebrews `ezer ke-negdo; i.e., "a help as his counterpart" = a help suitable to him, a wife.
Aqfaq wrote:
Genesis 3:16 --> To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."
I placed this citation in a separate quote because I wanted to expand upon the context of that verse, as the Bible records it. I believe that in doing so, people who read this will be able to better understand the depicted events surrounding that, and why God stated that to Eve:
Genesis 3:1-24
(1)Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (2)And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: (3)But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (4)And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (5)For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
(6)And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (7)And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
(8)And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. (9)And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? (10)And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. (11)And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? (12)And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. (13)And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
(14)And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: (15)And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (16)Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
(17)And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (18)Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; (19)In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (20)And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
(21)Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. (22)And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (23)Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
(24)So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
^ Again, I believe that context is an important element in better understanding events depicted in the Bible.
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ars4326 wrote:
it was also a woman who was chosen to conceive Jesus Christ
Indeed. First the childbearing was made to be very painful and then a woman was forced to do that. How's that showing "great deal of honor" to the woman exactly? I don't think you picked the best example here, ars. Also, once again the bonus question: What would the above part of the Bible look like, if it was written by common men who tried to explain the immense birth pains without understanding the evolutionary history of the large mammalian skull? Moozooh knows the answer, but what do you think about it?
If we go by the account given in Genesis 3 (included above), painful conception was the result of Eve's sin in the garden of Eden.
I'm also just not a believer in the theory of evolution.
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ars4236, if we start picking verses, well, it doesn't work well for you, if you try to defend the Bible as something that ultimately honors women. These are allegedly the words of Moses: "Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."
If this is "deliberately out of context" or anything like that, then the same applies to your verses where the woman is honored. You abuse the verses to make it look like the Bible honors women, just like I abuse them to make it seem like Moses approves killing and rape. He surely doesn't, does he?
I would say that "abuse" is quite strong of a term, here. While I did cite singular individual verses to support examples where the Bible honors women, I didn't deliberately isolate them from any context.
For Genesis 3:20, I went ahead and quoted the entire chapter, above, to also expand upon Genesis 3:16.
As for Matthew 1:16, that was the ending part of a listed genealogy in the beginning of the chapter (whole chapter included here).
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...Moses was like 4chan. Totally raiding and totally abusing bitches. Do you approve this rape stuff and the owning of women as property? This is all in your favorite holy book. It is nothing controversial or even debatable. We can all read it directly from the book itself. Of course, we can choose to skip these parts and pick the verses that honor women, like you did. Sure, there are parts that honor women. However, if we look at the book as a whole, it clearly shows unjustified male chauvinism from the very beginning to the very end. Only a religiously biased mind can deny it and this sentence. For an additional exercise, just count the number of times the female is called "whore" in the Bible. Or virgin. The most important aspect of most biblical women is their personal sexual history. Is that honorable, nice and wise? The bonus question: What would the depictions of females in the Bible look like, if it was all written by normal horny men?
If this is indeed the case Aqfaq (concerning unjustifiable male chauvinism, etc.), can you provide the Scriptural citations to back your claims up?
As for your second bonus question, much like the last one, I can't really say. Again, if one were to go by the perspective that men alone were responsible for writing the Bible, it would depend on the author(s) on how women are depicted.
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I looked at that page. What I basically saw were strong opinions (some, of which, were openly very ridiculing toward those who believe in God) along with support for the theory of evolution. I didn't see any actual debunking of Christianity, though. If you'd like to list some of those points listed here on the forum to discuss further, feel free.
edit: I also hope that none of my responses come off as condescending, or rude, etc. I do find it challenging to maintain a conversational tone while attempting to answer multiple questions.
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Sweet 16, but how is 16 sweet?
Back when I turned 16 (here we go!) I was legally able to work w/out a permit and took my first job as a fryer cook at a Long John Silvers.
It was hard work, and I obtained my fair share of fryer burns up and down my arms (and even my face, at one point). But cashing those paychecks every two weeks and finally earning money that didn't come from an allowance was nice :P
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Why?
You know, I can write here and tell you that I believe the words written concerning Jesus Christ being the Son of God and having the power to save, and that an eventual change occurred upon me hearing it/reading it, and then knowing it.
As for the "knowing it" part, I can compare it, in a way, to one of my favorite games, growing up:
- In Final Fantasy 4, there was that part in the trial cave (after beating the earth elemental boss) where Cecil, as a Dark Knight, heard that voice saying "My son". From there, he became a Paladin and then became confronted with his former self: The Dark Knight essence. The old nature vs. the new.
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Apparently, there are only 188 named women characters in the Bible, but a whopping 1181 named male characters. Why?
I'm sure you see it as a gross inequality? From a numbers perspective, I could see that. I would say also, though, that a woman's role in the Bible is very cherished. Their representation in Scripture is not of the same volume, but they hold a lot of weight.
EXAMPLES
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Matthew 1:16
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Just those two verses alone, out of over 31,000 in the entire Bible, bestow a great deal of honor upon women. Not only was it a woman who was initially credited to reproducing the human race, but it was also a woman who was chosen to conceive Jesus Christ.
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Bonus question: What would the Bible look like, if it was written by common patriarchal men at a time when male chauvinism was prevalent in the society?
Coming from the perspective that men alone were responsible for writing it, I can't say. That would depend on the author(s).
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Well, it was claimed at 71 hours, accepted at 73, and published at 74. By the guidelines, yeah, but the spirit seems a little bruised.
The guidelines also say to give a chance for rebuttal, which was obviously not done, and the prevailing attitude on the site is that once a decision has been made, it is final and absolute, and any kind of futher argument against it is sour grapes from anybody who disagrees, or just as often, ignored completely.
I think the judge guidelines need to either be touched up, or a refresher course offered. I feel it'd be really useful if judges actually posted their decisions in threads when they made them instead of being tucked away in an edit on the first page. If you mainly view things through the forum, it's very easy to miss that.
Tangent, I see some valid criticism here, on my part (I'm still a relatively new judge and am working at getting better at my position).
I, admittedly, went ahead and made an official judgment on this run just after the 72 hour waiting period. I felt the significantly improved stage times over Mukki, and Samsara's effort and research into matching/improving TKDL's known times, were enough to warrant a decision right out of the gate. It is rather disappointing to see that new source from OneDrive appear (and I imagine it would be so much easier, as Gay mentioned, if the Japanese community had more of an established equivalent to TASVideos readily available on the Internet).
Lesson learned. From here forward, I'll make a mental note of the OneDrive link (which I've bookmarked) and allow some more time for a submission to sit and collect feeback.
And until something more concrete can be come up with, I may also consistently post a copy of my written judgment on the forums (which I'll add, below):
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OFFICIAL JUDGMENT
Closely watching the two runs side-by-side (and compensating for the difference in loading times), it was evident that the gameplay optimizations made were very significant over Mukki's TAS. Good to see that every stage was improved upon (and that you also took the initiative to match, or exceed, TKDL's work, too). Overall, remarkable work and dedication on this one!
Accepting as an improvement (better emulation and optimization) to the published run!
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Hi, everyone. I just wanted to state that, along with Bisqwit, I am also a Christian who believes in the saving power of the Lord Jesus Christ. I also understand that people have many questions concerning the Bible (and other religions, in general), and possibly many strong criticisms. That's fair, and even expected.
This is Bisqwit's thread, and I'm not trying to steal his thunder. But if anyone has any questions about the Bible, maybe I could assist and help add some clarity?
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I'd like to illustrate what everyone else is driving at, can you take this quiz and tell me what score you get?
http://bibleorqurangame.blogspot.com/
OmnipotentEntity, I get where this quiz is getting at, but you've also got to admit that it's taking passages out of context (both Bible and Quran). Some of those quoted passages in particular I immediately recognize from the book of Judges -- which requires considerable context in order to understand its complete meaning (Judges, in particular, is like studying law).
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Water Shrine completed!
maTO had a very well optimized WIP made. I'm about 10 seconds ahead at this point, with most of that due to an optimized intro/Title screen. However, I did find a number of tactical improvements inside the Shrine.
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Very nice improvements on this one, guys! I replaced the file w/ Arc's improvements.
Previous time: 19:53:20 (71710 frames).
Updated time: 19:53:15 (71707 frames).
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Got you set up again, Weegeechan! I should have an official judgment made later on today.
Previous time: 02:39:87 (9608 frames).
Updated time: 02:39:62 (9593 frames).
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Got you covered, Weegeechan :)
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Beyond Oasis WIP 1 :)
Since maTO's site remains frozen, the only tool-assisted reference I found available was this old WIP of a planned 100% branch. Here's a couple of improvements that I've made, so far:
* Soft-resetting at the title screen, as soon as the Sega logo appears, allows you to skip it almost immediately. This saves well over 4 seconds.
* In the village, you can execute a long jump on the frame just before the cutscene takes over (where the villagers flee), placing you further ahead than you would be normally. I'd say this saves at least 30 frames.
* As for the troll fight itself, the closer positioning due to the trick above allows me to rush in quicker and execute a quick jump kick. From here, three consecutive Rolling Slashes quickly takes out the Troll (he doesn't even get time to respond).
Other than that, this should be a really fun run to watch once it's all ready and made!
edit 9/01: Just uncovered that maTO (under his alias suklaalevy1) has a channel on YouTube with his last WIP uploaded. In particular, his "run stuttering" (which cancels the skidding animation) and his strategy for the Troll fight (could it still work with the jump trick?) may be worth looking into.
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alucard wrote:
As for this run, it was nice to watch, very optimized and somewhat entertaining. The only thing that's putting me on the fence is the choice not to use the boss glitch(which BTW you linked my youtube video in your submission text :) ). It's just... straight up faster. I'd imagine the run would be MINUTES faster with it. I understand why you chose not to use it, the whole game would basically be overworld/sewers/10 second boss battles, but I can't help but hate that minutes that can be shaved off in a TAS because of a stylistic choice not to use a glitch.
Hi, alucard :) I can understand that, for sure. For me, not using the glitch really just boiled down to the repetitive nature of it (overworld/sewers/glitch/repeat, as you similarly stated). Putting the run together, I was curious to see just how quickly those bosses could be put away by figuring out their patterns and using optimized strategies w/ the gun and sub-weapons.
After reading your post though, I did go back through and make a test run of the glitch on the first boss. From the moment I opened the boss door to the frame the overworld reappears, I got a time of 640 frames. For the sake of comparison however, I'll go ahead and shave 10 frames off that to compensate for optimization (I'll also assume this time can be obtained on every boss).
BOSS times vs boss glitch comparison
BOSS 1: 862 - 630 = 222
BOSS 2: 1726 - 630 = 1066
BOSS 3: 1455 - 630 = 795
BOSS 4: 1563 - 630 = 963
BOSS 5: 2155 - 630 = 1495
FINAL BOSS: n/a** glitch can't technically be used here due to soft-resetting the game.TOTAL: 4541 frames (around 1:15).So considerable time could have been saved if I went ahead with the glitch use route (although I still support that foregoing this was the more entertaining option of the two).
edit: Drangondarch recently revealed that it is, indeed, possible to use the glitch in the final battle w/out the game soft-resetting. This would mean that, now without having to get any sub-weapons, a glitched any% run could save upwards of 1:30 over this one.
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So could even more time be saved in the bonus stages (which were nicely done, btw) by not accumulating any points, at all?
Also Weegeechan, as mtvf1 stated, if you need some more time to include Takanawa's improvements we can go ahead and temporarily set your submission to delayed.
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samurai goroh wrote:
I just wonder something, did you consider taking the Whip, or is it not stronger than the Gun? Or would it just take to much time to level it in order to be effective?
I considered it initially, but it actually ended up being slower compared to the sheer speed of the frame-advance gun and sub-weapons (leveling it up to a decent level would have taken more time, also).
It's a shame as, judging by this boss rush video, a maxed-out Flame Whip could've possibly made shorter work out of Thunder Horn (16 cracks, total).
Tangent wrote:
NitroGenesis already addressed this, but I wanted to say that I did look into this supposed trick before going much further into my first WIP. This would've been pretty sweet if it had turned out to be legit.
On the other hand, however, trying to fight that final boss without missiles would likely be a massive headache to figure out. You'd have to take out the two gun turrets (or, at least, one of them) in front of it before being able to damage the core. Even testing with the maxed-out gun, I wasn't able to take out even one while standing in front of it and holding auto fire for about 5 seconds (after which, my initial invincibility timer expired and I died). So all in all, it would be a loooooong battle to fight, otherwise.
mklip2001 wrote:
I'm sorry to say I didn't get the reference after Boss 5. The only thing I can think of is that maybe you're dancing away from the boss similar to the Blaster Master runs, but I don't think that's what you were going for.
It's definitely obscure. It was one of those spur-of-the-moment type things that popped into my head as I was sitting in my pickup truck in a parking lot trying to figure out something entertaining to do after beating Boss 5 (it's like a light bulb went off in my head!).
For those interested, here's the reference :p
Thanks for the positive feedback so far, everyone! :)
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WIP 3!
...so I went ahead and put Boss #5 in there, as well. ...aaaaand went ahead and made it all the way inside the UFO (it's also about 3 1/2 minutes faster than the current WR TAS on YouTube).
Might be able to get sub-19:30ish, or lower? Depends on how much optimization is left inside the space ship. Either way, should have this one cooked up and served on the Workbench within a week, or so!
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Beefster, to get you started on your next pass through this, I made a brief WIP up to the point where you purchased the first money upgrade. It is about 266 frames faster. In particular, it would be helpful for you to observe a couple of things that I did to save more time, which includes the following:
* In the first cave, I avoided trying to kill anything that either took more than 1 hit, or was simply out of the way. By the time you reach the overworld, those bees on the third screen net 100G per kill -- far more than any enemy encounter in the cave, and much quicker to farm, as well.
* In addition to timing better jumps, I came across two useful frame-dependent tricks that can save additional time in certain spots. One is being able to jump off the absolute edge of a platform by waiting for a single frame, and then pressing 2 to jump immediately afterwards (this won't work if you're trying to move and jump at the same time, though). The second trick is being able to crouch in mid-air immediately after a sword attack. This was useful in taking out those breakaway blocks behind the giant snake sub-boss, for example.
* Also, during dialogue screens in shops, I noticed it was slightly faster to keep the 1 button held down until all lines of dialogue appeared on screen. From here, you can press the 2 button after 4 or 5 frames to exit the dialogue screen (or advance to the next page, move the cursor to confirm a purchase, etc.).
So all in all, I hope to see an improved run from you down the road :) I've done a fewRPGruns in the past which took me at least a solid 4-6 weeks of work before they were good enough to submit. Just take your time and work towards steadily knocking things out. Posting your progress, and asking any questions you may have, in the forums is also a good idea.
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I went ahead and updated the movie file with a version that ends on the last decisive input.
This brings the official time to 40:31.0. I should have an official judgement made here in a couple of hours.
edit: I did forget to mention that I got this to sync on the latest version of BizHawk (1.11). Hence, the reason why it's giving a different time. Sorry about that!
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