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Spikestuff: So why 13M is marked as date: 2000-06-09? BTW there's also this: http://tasvideos.org/15M.html
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Added last fix to the script: In some places there are enemies appearing in bunches, and you need to kill them almost at once to get an item drop. Helicopters in 1-2, clowns in 1-1. But what they drop is hardcoded. In 1-1 they drop life, in 1-2 they drop: charge, hp, ammo, hp, ammo, life, hp, ammo, and charge. When they come in 1 by 1 and still are marked to carry something, it's random. When they come by 3 or so, I didn't test, because I'm officially sick of this game :D Once you come to something that doesn't co-operate, let me know, maybe I'll find out why.
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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
class OmnipotentEntity {
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I agree that breaking the execution pointer is memory corruption if done deliberately and efficiently. If it's only done by random glitching (slightly bugging the objects, like giving a stick to battletoads in level 4), it's a glitch abuse. When it screws the main game execution in heavy ways, I'd call it memory corruption.
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Sounds like you need a 1 frame delay from real memory state. Try this:
Language: lua

while (true) do -- your gui.line and stuff here FCEU.frameadvance() end
Without registering anything.
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Info: - All enemies that drop items (flying stuff) set item they will drop when they spawn, depending on RNG. It rolls each frame (once), every time you shoot (once more), and when you break something (6/7). So you can make them drop weapon each time. - When weapon coin is dropping, its color depends on RNG and changes every second frame before it drops. Then it either changes very slowly, or never. - Boss behavior wasn't tested yet, but I expect it to depend on the same RNG address. - Maximum weapon level is 6. The strongest is green, but it flies by 1 (maximum charge damages 144 hp). Red is weaker, but flies by 3 on higher levels. Blue is just some kind of trolling. Script updates: - Item drop display - Weapon level - RNG roll counter Download TheAdventuresOfBatmanAndRobin.lua
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-- The Adventures of Batman and Robin -- 2013, feos and r57shell MsgTable = {} MsgTime = 30 MsgOffs = 16 MsgCutoff = 60 RNGcount = 0 function GetCam() xcam = memory.readwordsigned(0xFFDFC4) -- ycam = memory.readwordsigned(0xFFCD70) end function EnemyPos(Base) GetCam() x1 = memory.readwordsigned(Base + 0x12) - xcam y1 = memory.readwordsigned(Base + 0x14) x2 = memory.readwordsigned(Base + 0x16) - xcam y2 = memory.readwordsigned(Base + 0x18) hp = memory.readwordsigned(Base + 0x1E) end function PlayerPos() local sbase1 = memory.readword(0xFFAD5C) + 0xFF0000 local sbase2 = memory.readword(0xFFADB6) + 0xFF0000 p1speedx = memory.readlongsigned(sbase1 + 0x18) / 0x10000 p1speedy = memory.readlongsigned(sbase1 + 0x1C) / 0x10000 p2speedx = memory.readlongsigned(sbase2 + 0x18) / 0x10000 p2speedy = memory.readlongsigned(sbase2 + 0x1C) / 0x10000 end function HandleMsgTable(clear) for i = 1, #MsgTable do if (clear) then MsgTable[i] = nil end if (MsgTable[i]) then GetCam() if (MsgTable[i].y_ > MsgCutoff) then MsgY1 = 0 MsgY2 = 6 else MsgY1 = 203 MsgY2 = 203 end gui.line(i * MsgOffs + 3, MsgY2, MsgTable[i].x_ - xcam, MsgTable[i].y_, "#ff0000c0") gui.text(i * MsgOffs , MsgY1, MsgTable[i].damage_, "red") if (MsgTable[i].timer_ < gens.framecount()) then MsgTable[i] = nil end end end end function HandleDamage() local damage = AND(memory.getregister("d0"), 0xFFFF) local base = AND(memory.getregister("a2"), 0xFFFFFF) EnemyPos(base) unit = { timer_ = gens.framecount() + MsgTime, damage_ = damage, x_ = x1 + xcam, y_ = y1 } for i = 1, 200 do if MsgTable[i] == nil then MsgTable[i] = unit break end end end function Collision() GetCam() local a0 = AND(memory.getregister("a0"), 0xFFFF) local a6 = AND(memory.getregister("a6"), 0xFFFF) local damage = memory.readword(a6 + 0xFF0012) local wx2 = memory.getregister("d6") - xcam local wy2 = memory.getregister("d7") local wx1 = memory.getregister("d4") - xcam local wy1 = memory.getregister("d5") -- gui.text(wx2 + 2, wy1 + 1, string.format("%X",a6)) if (damage == 0) then damage = memory.readword(a0 + 0xFF0034) end if (DamageHitbox) then gui.box(wx1, wy1, wx2, wy2, "#ff000000") gui.text(wx1 + 2, wy1 + 1, damage) else gui.box(wx1, wy1, wx2, wy2, "#ffff0000") end end function InRange(var, num1, num2) if (var >= num1) and (var <= num2) then return true end end function Item() GetCam() local a6 = AND(memory.getregister("a6"), 0xFFFF) local x = memory.readword(a6 + 0xFF003E) - xcam local y = memory.readword(a6 + 0xFF0042) local code = memory.readbyte(a6 + 0xFF0019) if (code == 1) then code = memory.readword(memory.readword(a6 + 0x1A) + 0xFF0004) end if (code == 0) then return elseif InRange(code, 7, 19) then item = "Amo" -- ammo elseif InRange(code, 21, 23) then item = "Cha" -- fast charge elseif InRange(code, 24, 26) then item = "Bom" -- bomb elseif InRange(code, 27, 29) then item = "Lif" -- life elseif InRange(code, 30, 47) then item = "HiP" -- hearts else item = tostring(code) end gui.text(x-7, y, string.format("%s" , item ), "yellow") -- gui.text(x-7, y, string.format("\n%X", a6+0x19), "yellow") end function Hitbox(address) local i = 0 local base = memory.readword(address) while (base ~= 0) do base = base + 0xFF0000 if (memory.readword(base + 2) == 0) then break end EnemyPos(base) if (address == 0xFFDEB2) then gui.box(x1, y1, x2, y2, "#00ff0000") elseif (address == 0xFFDEBA) then gui.box(x1, y1, x2, y2, "#00ffff00") gui.text(x1 + 2, y1 + 1, hp, "#ff00ff") if (x2 < 0) then gui.text(x1 + 2, y2 - 7, "x:" .. x1 ) end if (x1 >= 320) then gui.text(x1 + 2, y2 - 7, "x:" .. x1 - 320) end if (y2 < 0) then gui.text(x2 + 2, y2 - 7, "y:" .. y2 ) end end -- gui.text(x1 + 2, y1 + 1, string.format("\n%X", base - 0xFF0000), "#ff00ff") base = memory.readword(base + 2) i = i + 1 if (i > 400) then break end end end function Main() local color1 = "yellow" local color2 = "yellow" local color0 = "yellow" -- local hp1 = memory.readword(0xFFF650) / 0x10 -- local life1 = memory.readword(0xFFF644) local base1 = 0xFFAD54 local base2 = 0xFFADAE local X1 = memory.readword(base1 + 0x3E) local X1sub = memory.readbyte(base1 + 0x40) local Y1 = memory.readwordsigned(base1 + 0x42) local Y1sub = memory.readbyte(base1 + 0x44) local X2 = memory.readword(base2 + 0x3E) local X2sub = memory.readbyte(base2 + 0x40) local Y2 = memory.readwordsigned(base2 + 0x42) local Y2sub = memory.readbyte(base2 + 0x44) local RNG1 = memory.readword(0xFFF5FC) -- local RNG2 = memory.readlong(0xFFF5FE) local Weapon1 = memory.readbyte(0xFFF67B) local Weapon2 = memory.readbyte(0xFFF6BB) local Charge1 = (memory.readword(0xFFF658) - 0x2800) / -0x80 local Charge2 = (memory.readword(0xFFF698) - 0x2800) / -0x80 local ScreenLock = memory.readword(0xFFDFC0) if Charge1 <= 0 then Charge1 = 0; color1 = "red" end if Charge2 <= 0 then Charge2 = 0; color2 = "red" end if RNGcount > 1 then color0 = "red" end HandleMsgTable() PlayerPos() Hitbox(0xFFDEB2) Hitbox(0xFFDEBA) gui.text( 0, 210, string.format("\nRNG:%X" , RNG1)) gui.text( 40, 210, string.format("\nLock:%d", ScreenLock)) gui.text( 34, 210, string.format("\n%d" , RNGcount), color0) gui.text(180, 210, string.format("%2d" , Charge1), color1) gui.text(300, 210, string.format("%2d" , Charge2), color2) gui.text(180, 210, string.format("\n%2d" , Weapon1), "yellow") gui.text(300, 210, string.format("\n%2d" , Weapon2), "yellow") gui.text( 81, 210, string.format("Pos: %d.%d\nSpd: %.5f", X1, X1sub, p1speedx), "#AAAAAA") gui.text(137, 210, string.format("/ %d.%d\n/ %.5f" , Y1, Y1sub, p1speedy), "#AAAAAA") gui.text(203, 210, string.format("Pos: %d.%d\nSpd: %.5f", X2, X2sub, p2speedx), "#00BB00") gui.text(260, 210, string.format("/ %d.%d\n/ %.5f" , Y2, Y2sub, p2speedy), "#00BB00") RNGcount = 0 end gui.register(Main) savestate.registerload(function() return HandleMsgTable(1) end) memory.registerexec(0x375A, function() DamageHitbox = false end) memory.registerexec(0x375E, function() DamageHitbox = true end) memory.registerexec(0x3768, function() DamageHitbox = false end) memory.registerexec(0x376C, function() DamageHitbox = true end) memory.registerexec(0x65C4, function() DamageHitbox = false end) memory.registerexec(0x65C8, function() DamageHitbox = true end) memory.registerexec(0x995C, function() RNGcount = RNGcount + 1 end) memory.registerexec(0x4738, Item) memory.registerexec(0x4534, Item) memory.registerexec(0x8C9A, Collision) memory.registerexec(0x1085A, HandleDamage) -- meelee memory.registerexec(0x10CBA, HandleDamage) -- weapon memory.registerexec(0x10CC4, HandleDamage) -- weapon
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The run looks great, but gameplay is so constantly interrupted that I only can vote No.
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AKheon wrote:
For what it's worth, I think board, sports and game show games should primarily be considered "serious games" and be eligible for Vaulting. Why block out entire game genres like this? It's already required that a Vaultable game should have an ending and that its gameplay should stand out as something superhuman (among the other rules). If those rules are fulfilled, by all means, it shouldn't matter what genre the game is.
I would agree.
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Is anyone still considering improving this? I mean, not Marzo.
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Derakon wrote:
If you missed a block, you can watch it from the twitch archived. This thread has links to each game's run to make finding them more convenient. It's not the same as watching them live, but it's a heck of a lot better than nothing!
Both are actually now in this thread's first post, and here: http://tasvideos.org/ConsoleVerifiedMovies.html
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FractalFusion wrote:
feos wrote:
Looking at the recent edit in the pub description I want to ask FractalFusion: did you really listen to that solo? :D
I never thought much about that ending theme. It is better than the noise in the level, but that's not saying much. Actually, the whole thing makes me wonder if the sound is really just an emulator glitch.
To me, that solo is just a freaking ear grinder! In one place it sounds like some Deep Purple, but most of the time it just grinds. So it was part of the joke: "if you disliked the game, let solo be a reward for watching it", where the solo is BLOODY WORSE!
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boct1584 wrote:
Why would this run not qualify for your hypothetical category, Warp? From what I can tell (I've never played the original Megaman) it DOES use the intended routes throughout the game. Or do you just mean the other controversy around it?
I think it's because such a category should receive much support to become a Moon and get its own branch. And not all games provide enough to get good feedback. I haven't yet seen how would megaman look without glitches at all, but I actually doubt there would be much to look at, at least within the NES series. Since SNES series have so much deeper gameplay in so many ways, they would likely be interesting indeed, but it would require really much effort. So my opinion is, any low glitch/glitchless category for NES megaman serioes won't fly. Some people did express will to see such a run, but there's just not enough of them, because overall it still looks sub average.
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Looking at the recent edit in the pub description I want to ask FractalFusion: did you really listen to that solo? :D
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This movie is conceptually something between our very first 2 Rockman publication. It uses some tricks [5] NES Mega Man by Morimoto in 21:52.10 didn't know about, but even in 5M there were some screen wraps this movie avoids. Then, [111] NES Mega Man by Bisqwit in 18:21.03 uses the same pause glitch as here, but it already does plenty screenwraps and zips. Optimization level was not compared, but in fact - is it anyhow visible? I fail to notice how this run is superior to any of the first 2 publications. Primarily, why would we want a run that avoids some time-saving strats? Because it looks more like the old runs we had here, but it applies the current optimization level to them, and tricks that were not known back then. And the result does look different than the old runs. This applies to pacifist runs very well, because the difference is obvious, and the new category requires interesting route changes that are noticeable in real time. Hence, we do like such a movie and it is accepted to Moons. The same sometimes happens to low glitch runs. Latest runs are so glitchy they skip significant amount of gameplay, so people are interested in how would TASing the whole gameplay look like. [862] Genesis Pulseman "no motion glitch" by IdeaMagnate in 33:57.15 [1937] Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog "no zips" by Aglar in 17:36.58 So what is so modern in this submission that was not seen in the old runs? Optimization level alone? It's very hard to tell by an untrained eye, or rather, without comparing every scene frame by frame. Then what is so old-school-ish in this run that isn't seen in modern ones? No screen-wraps/zips/memory corruption? But pause glitches are still here. They still don't let us see how would a modern TASer beat this game, within intended route. I'd say, if one really has something to offer about this game, no glitches should be used, to actually differ from all movies we had. BTW, it's not even about what is possible in real time, because many glitches avoided here are possible. But what can be argued is, what glitch to allow? I'd say, all pause abuses must be avoided too. They were likely not presented as a feature, even though it was programmed this way. And we've already seen them since the second publication of this game. They add nothing new. But again, it all would work only if a runner has something to offer. Which must be possible to tell in real time. In real time I only see that this is probably faster than Morimoto's run. But I'm not sure it deserves a category like this. So my vote is not just No. I vote against this glitch choice. This run seems to be liked, but did anyone ask himself a question: What does this run show that was unseen? This way we could even unobsolete some of the old runs, [111] NES Mega Man by Bisqwit in 18:21.03 is still faster than this one.
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Voting for posts (+/-) would be great. As I suggested earlier, this option must only be allowed for higher than newbies to be perfectly reliable. And visually it must somehow display whether a post is heavily plused, or heavily minused. And something can in future be based on "post sanity" per user.
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A movie must use known tricks. Otherwise: imagine someone obsoletes an old movie by a second, and we ignore timesavers it missed and accept it (due to being faster by raw numbers). Then the other week another 1-second improvement is submitted. We accept it too. And so on. One would be able to drawl really improving movies for years. To avoid such spam of small improvements, we require the movie to use all known tricks. Sometimes some of them are still missed, but it's another story when known improvements are considered not worth redoing - it is when a run is overall optimal, and of a very high quality. When it's overall suboptimal (too much known improvements), we won't publish it even it is an improvement. #4041: McBobX's Genesis Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog in 14:09.43
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Masterjun wrote:
Since when did my SMW and SMW2 movies that glitch to credits corrupt memory?
It inherited the previous movie's class.
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@Nach Thank yourself for raising the issue bothering you. I don't see anyone else wanting to take it seriously. What is obvious to me is that you love to mix every type of concept into one pot and pretend they must be structured with subordination, while the initial goal and the result of each is different. You spend so many words on that matter that I can say they make no difference to you at all. And with that, you try to expand your vision even by using personal derps (you are referring to "shirking responsibility" on my side, while I can't really recall any cases of that).
Raw numbers and an argument out of silence does not justify completely ignoring that the movies are identical.
You seem to have lost the borders of "complete ignore". I will remind you the case here. Movies ARE similar in cerеain ways. It was noted. It was not ignored. It just was not exaggerated up to the point of obsoletion. Now you come and call it "complete ignore", lol. I'm not replying to you on that matter anymore, I'd like to see the others' opinion.
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I didn't claim that no similarity was noticed by the audience. I said that it was not enough for obsoletion. Because when it is, you have MOST of the posters mention it (as they do when a submission is not entertaining at all, or obviously suboptimal). 3 out of 116 is just nothing at all.
Nach wrote:
As the judge for this movie, you're responsible for determining whether to accept this movie at all (the votes help for that), and if so, how to accept this movie. Whether the current publication already obsoletes this run, or this run obsoletes the other is part of your responsibility. If you want more feedback from people other than a fellow judge, ask for it, don't close your eyes claiming 115 votes allow you to shirk responsibility or not consider whether two movies are indeed identical or not, or ignore several posts which claim this is the same just because the payload is awesome.
Are you saying that I as a judge am unable to determine the solution without constantly imposing factors no one thought of? Did you miss the part where I use to post my possible solution before applying it? Do you indeed think that:
we must have every one who posted tell us how optimal it is to have a right to accept it.
? Am I shirking the open discussion? No. We here are figuring out the solution together. It's not Vault where it either is the fastest or isn't. Now it looks like you are seriously insisting on this run obsoleting any%. Are you? That "don't close your eyes claiming 115 votes allow you to shirk responsibility" part looked like you won't stop before any victims doing it.
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Oh, then you may use the easier method, offered by all of these: - ArtMoney - MemoryHackingSoftware - Cheat Engine Affect the value you need and then search for address that changed accordingly.
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Mitjitsu wrote:
If someone was to do an Arbitrary Code Execution TAS on this game in the future. What would count as obsoleting this TAS?
Better programming of the payload.
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Nach wrote:
Since no one seems to have commented on the differences between them, I don't know why you're saying "all these people" *feel* they are.
Oh God. When a movie is submitted and no one comes up with improvements, does it mean we should consider it optimal? By your logic, no. By your logic, we must have every one who posted tell us how optimal it is to have a right to accept it. By my logic, if no one of the 115 voters noticed the similarity to the any% run, it kind of means that there is enough difference.
Nach wrote:
the only thing we should be considering is the movie till the point of the payload
Where does it come from?
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Nach wrote:
I have a hard time understanding your usage of the word redundant here.
Read the thread. Your suggestion on this movie's fate is redundant. As the previous one you made here appeared to be.
Nach wrote:
How are they different enough?
I don't know how they are different enough for all these people, but they feel they are. Something tells me obsoletion obsession is a disease that strikes every year or so. "Obsolete something just because we always used to!" There is a Moons tier. Movies that people consider different enough get published alongside. Movies that are considered similar obsolete one another.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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