I think you have a great idea. Super Monkey Ball could make an extremely entertaining speedrun, and is a very difficult game (basically a first-person 3d version of Marble Madness). I could definitely watch someone beat that game in an incredibly short amount of time, but you do need to play the hardest levels. Keep going!
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I say one star each. I think most people would be interested in watching each of the Mario games beaten in insanely small amounts of time, showcasing glitches all the way, so why wouldn't people be interested in watching each of the Sonic games beaten at absolutely absurd speeds? Let's give our visitors a bit of credit and assume they'll be smart enough to look for the games they want to see, and to recognize two speedruns as good as those for the works of art that they are, and not consider them redundant. Both of those movies are amazing, though I do like the fact that Sonic 2 is shorter.
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Seriously, give that Sonic 2 run a star. That movie is absolutely amazing. The early levels are over so fast that you can barely see them. The "wow" factor on those levels is extremely high, and that's exactly what the star movies are supposed to be showcasing to newcomers. This is a perfect example of what can be done if you could play perfectly. I've never seen this game played remotely as well in real life, though I know people who can run through SMB1 virtually without stopping. Long story short, this is a frigging amazing movie. Besides which, "publish this movie and give it a star" was the first sentence in most of the early voting. The people know a good speedrun when they see one.
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Okay, I don't get it. You beat up some soldiers, then fight a few people on the moon? What was the point of this game? That was worse than my Where's Waldo speedrun. At least there was some variety in that game. Perfection is perfection and all, but man does that game blow.
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Dang. Now that was an awesome movie. That gets a Yes vote and a star. I think the Sonic games may be the perfect series for speed runs. Sonic games look fast even when they're played normally. When someone actually does a speed run, it's just mind bogglingly fast. The Mario runs are great and all, but you can actually see Mario most of the time. I like a speed run where all you can see of the main character is a blue blur 90% of time. Amazing run.
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Excellent movie. I was extremely proud the first time I beat this game because you had to beat two bosses in a row at the end of 4-3. Actually, this was the first Mario game I ever beat. It has all the elements of a Mario run, and I like the homage to Tetris you snuck in. I have a few questions, though.
You choose the the Fireflower in the bonus stage at the end of World 2, but in 3-1 you don't shoot some of the Pirahna Plants, even though you stated that your secondary objective was getting the highest possible score. It also looked like you didn't shoot everyone that you could have in 4-2. Would that have slowed you down or negatively impacted the run, or would the shot have gone through the Pirahna Plants because they weren't totally out of the pipe yet? This definitely gets a Yes vote, but I'm sure people will wonder.
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That was pretty impressive. It's a long watch (I fast-forwarded through some of the battles where you were just going to run away about half-way through the movie), but it has some fun stuff in it. Kraken killing himself, for instance. I give that a Yes.
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I can appreciate how much work went into this. I used to spend hours in front of my SNES perfecting my runs of Mute City I, using exactly that technique against the Golden Fox, and getting unbelievable times in Death Wind. My friends and I tried to set unbreakable records in this game. It's impressive as a Practice, but as a movie...
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Just amazing, but when will the full run be published, if someone is working on it yet?
Love the music in the Big Blue level :>
This is the reason I'm voting No. Obviously I always prefer a complete run of a game, but I'll vote Yes to a single lap/race if it's impressive enough (like the old Excitebike movie), hoping that the author, or someone, will use it to create a full run someday (like the new Excitebike movie). This movie isn't the first step in an eventual full run because it's not the first race of a Knight League run, it's a Practice run. Not only is it not the first step in creating a full run, but it's a pretty boring race because there are no other cars. If it were just Mute City I from Knight League at Expert (can't do Master without a save state), then I would vote Yes. As a full run, or race 1 of a partial run, it's a Yes. As a practice, it's a No.
The "dummy" cars in an actual race appear at predictable locations and intervals, and are generally in the exact center of the lane, so they probably wouldn't hinder you too much if you did this exact race in Knight League. The presence of the cars would make the race so much more interesting, and it could later be used to complete the other races. Any chance you would give that a try?
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The long awaited return of the X-Men 2 run. It's nice to see the things that were learned after your last submission put to good use. The effort that has been put into the submissions for this movie hasn't been in vain.
I haven't watched your other submissions in a while, so this slow-moving game suddenly seems fast. Great job. This could finally be the submission that gets published. That's a Yes vote from me.
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Awesome movie. The Super Metroid run has always been my favorite movie, and to see it further improved is really something special. That's an easy Yes vote.
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Yes he does, and we all collectively accepted that because the improvement can be measured in mere seconds. Now there are not one, but two games where huge sections of the game can be skipped by using this technique. It seems like a good time to debate whether or not this is really appropriate.
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I'm all in favor of exploiting glitches so long as you don't alter the software or hardware in any way. This site doesn't allow movies that alter the software (Game Genie, save states, hacking, hex editing, etc), but I'm opposed to the use of Left+Right or Up+Down because you would have to alter the hardware to perform it. You would have to remove the D-pad (or really screw with a joystick) in order to press opposite directions at the same time, so this run could never be performed on an actual Nintendo. We're supposed to be demonstrating the limits of what is possible if you eliminate human barriers like reaction time and "skill", not hardware barriers like the inability to press opposite directions on the controller.
If you want to use the suggestion of having a "Glitch Runs" section where it's okay to tamper with the hardware in order to demonstrate the amazing glitches that are possible if you do, by all means go ahead, but this is the type of run that finally blurs the line of how much of this particular exploit should be allowed. It saves a few milliseconds, maybe even seconds, in runs like Super Mario Bros., but it allows SNES Zelda: A Link to the Past to be beaten in 4 minutes and NES Zelda II to be beaten in 9. If every record can be beaten this badly by exploiting this "hardware exploit", is that going to be allowed?
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I stopped using WIP 1 when 1.43 came out, and this movie desyncs at T.Hawk in 1.43. Eventually the majority of people are going to be using the full version and won't be able to enjoy movies that have WIP timing.
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I agree with Bisqwit that this type of exploit is againt the spirit of the rules. I believe that all movies should demonstrate the limits of what could actually be played on the original system and hardware, which means that I'm also against the use of Left+Right and Up+Down, since they couldn't be performed on the original controller without modifying the hardware (i.e. removing the D-pad). We're supposed to be demonstrating what could be done if you eliminate human barriers like reaction time and "skill", not hardware barriers like the inability to press opposite directions at the same time. Perhaps the rules in general are due for a rewrite, with that italicized passage as the overriding "mission statement".
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Awesome! Finally a complete run of Excitebike. Does this one automatically get a star because the 1-lap version did? And yes, Track 4 was awesome. That's a yes vote.
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It's true that all of that had to be said, but I'd still like to thank m.i. for putting in the effort. Yes, working virtually every waking hour for 3 days is a lot of work. This pursuit of perfection is demanding, but it also has a measure of nobility in it. Emulators may help us overcome the limitations of reflexes and "skill", but they don't overcome the need for the imagination, creativity, and dedication it takes to play a game perfectly. This is a general thank you to everyone who takes the time to try, whether their submission is accepted or not.
Also, I don't think it's true that everyone's first submission is lousy, though the movie itself may be lousy. I've spent months (on and off, because I give priority to work, family, and taking time to enjoy life) on my current speed run, but I decided to submit a different movie first because I knew it would be easy to do and might be noteworthy for it's incredibly short length. I played NES Where's Waldo (yes, Where's Waldo) perfectly, but it was unpopular because, well, it's a freakin Where's Waldo movie. The run was good, the movie was lousy. Just wanted to make that distinction on behalf of the many people who have submitted perfect runs that weren't accepted, not because their "first submission was lousy", but because the game they played was boring.
Anyway, keep trying; don't let anyone get you down if they say that your submission is lousy, or throw the fact that it's your first submission back in your face; and above all, do it for the love of the game.
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I couldn't bring myself to watch the whole movie. The game is played very well, but it's a boring game. I'll watch a whole movie of a boring game if it only takes a few minutes and vote yes if it's perfect, but I have to vote Meh because I didn't care enough to be bothered to watch it to the end. Sorry!
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I love it. It doesn't feel like 8 minutes because there's a very nice flow and very little time wasted doing things like backtracking or waiting for conditions to change. The final battle looks very impressive because of fighting 4 enemies simultaneously. Because there are so many enemies in that battle, it may be improvable a little bit, but I honestly don't see much not to like about this run. That's a yes.
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