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So... I'm confused, can existing wips be continued or...? Either way I'd like to request a theoretical continuance on the smw 96-exit, as it would be a 'pain in the ass' to redo indeed as mentioned before (it will probably take upwards of a year to finish though). I understand the need to deprecate snes9x and I'm grateful for the warning, but everything we know regarding frame rules and lag in smw may only apply to this emu, I'm not sure.
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bahamete wrote:
but everything we know regarding frame rules and lag in smw may only apply to this emu, I'm not sure.
all the more reason to change to a more accurate one… lol
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bahamete wrote:
but everything we know regarding frame rules and lag in smw may only apply to this emu, I'm not sure.
all the more reason to change to a more accurate one… lol
Don't really see your point, the lag and frame rules will still be there but they may act differently. I base this only on assumptions by others and I know there is better emulation of lag (meaning possibly more?) and such. It is why we have stuck to 1.43 for so long... I learnt from it!
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Okay, continuances for OGA and smns72 KSS any% and bahamete's 96 exit SMW are acknowledged.
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Some people mentioned Yoshi's Island 100% already, and I'd like to request continuance for it. There are several reasons why our run won't sync on the newer emulators. The biggest problem is probably that there's virtually no lag on Snes9x 1.43 when lots of sprites are active. I don't think it's really an issue to the point where we'd have to change our routes to accommodate the lag, but when it comes to unnecessary egg antics, future runs will likely have to be less flamboyant in some places. A good example is our 1-4 boss fight, where we spam a load of egg shots. If you do just a few egg shots at once on console, especially if some stars are spawned from red eggs, the game will slow down considerably. Of course, 1.43 was our best option at the time, and we're too far now to think about restarting.
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Okay, continuances for OGA and smns72 KSS any% and bahamete's 96 exit SMW are acknowledged.
Wait, need continuance for Super Demo World 120 exits as well!
sorry my bad english... - Finished projects: Super Demo World any% - SMW Hack - Dropped projecs: Super Demo World All Exits - SMW Hack Super Mario World All Exits
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I think Tompa and Yuzuhara would like a continuance on their A Link To The Past improvement, they're most likely far enough by now to not want to restart.
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That would certainly be nice.
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I just wanted to chime in and say that this is a great new policy. Finally with the advent of SNEShawk, there really is no longer a need to support Snes9x. Kudos to all the staff and programmers involved in making this happen!
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NxCy wrote:
There are several reasons why our run won't sync on the newer emulators. The biggest problem is probably that there's virtually no lag on Snes9x 1.43 when lots of sprites are active. I don't think it's really an issue to the point where we'd have to change our routes to accommodate the lag, but when it comes to unnecessary egg antics, future runs will likely have to be less flamboyant in some places. A good example is our 1-4 boss fight, where we spam a load of egg shots. If you do just a few egg shots at once on console, especially if some stars are spawned from red eggs, the game will slow down considerably. Of course, 1.43 was our best option at the time, and we're too far now to think about restarting.
So...let's use inaccurate emulators because it lags less? :o
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So...let's use inaccurate emulators because it lags less? :o
Err, assuming you're being sarcastic: the only original choice was between the different snes9x versions, and 1.51 and on lag significantly more than console. Since entertainment is the bottom line, and your only two choices are inaccurate, it makes sense to choose the one that produces the more entertaining movie. Much of what was done in my any% TAS would not have been possible without significant lag on the later versions of snes9x (but possible on console). 1.43 just leans a little too heavily on the "less lag" side. And, of course, no other options existed at the time, and after 650k rerecords, we sure aren't switching now.
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Entertainment is subjective though. I'm far less impressed by something that isn't a portrayal of the original. It's like using a hacked version of a game that allows certain tricks to be performed that normally can't be done in the original. Seeing tricks performed based on known limitations is far more entertaining and impressive than bypassing limitations in order to perform them in my opinion.
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Entertainment is subjective though. I'm far less impressed by something that isn't a portrayal of the original. It's like using a hacked version of a game that allows certain tricks to be performed that normally can't be done in the original. Seeing tricks performed based on known limitations is far more entertaining and impressive than bypassing limitations in order to perform them in my opinion.
There was no such option when the run was started. Carl has stated that pretty explicitly.
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I wasn't referring to that run in particular, just his comment. I understand their decision to stick with snes9x.
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Pasky13 wrote:
Entertainment is subjective though. I'm far less impressed by something that isn't a portrayal of the original. It's like using a hacked version of a game that allows certain tricks to be performed that normally can't be done in the original. Seeing tricks performed based on known limitations is far more entertaining and impressive than bypassing limitations in order to perform them in my opinion.
I agree, that’s the whole point of TASing
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Pasky13 wrote:
Entertainment is subjective though. I'm far less impressed by something that isn't a portrayal of the original. It's like using a hacked version of a game that allows certain tricks to be performed that normally can't be done in the original. Seeing tricks performed based on known limitations is far more entertaining and impressive than bypassing limitations in order to perform them in my opinion.
To 99.999% of the viewerbase, any difference from the original was invisible. I agree in principal with what you are saying, but your analogy about using a hacked version of the game is simply not relevant in the case I am referring to: being able to do entirely different tricks with a hacked version is an entirely different thing than only being able to do the same tricks, but at the cost of some lag frames. They are simply not comparable Anyway, compared to console for Yoshi's Island, snes9x 1.51 prevented some things that would have been doable on console without lag, so it's like.... the opposite situation. We'd be using a worse hack ;) But in either case, everything is transferable to console, the only difference is how many lag frames there are. It's worth noting that no available emulator faithfully emulates Yoshi's Island completely, not even those based around bsnes. The goal ring loads differently which actually has drastic consequences for bonus skipping.
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Carl Sagan wrote:
It's worth noting that no available emulator faithfully emulates Yoshi's Island completely, not even those based around bsnes. The goal ring loads differently which actually has drastic consequences for bonus skipping.
Did you check the behavior in the latest Accuracy core (actual bsnes, not a rr-derivate)? If it's the same, perhaps you shall inform Byuu (bsnes main developer) of this inaccuracy once he finishes his ROM dumping of the US set?
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Going to stick around and adapt and show how much ass you can kick?
I just hope we don't have our asses kicked :) The only difference I'm experiencing so far is the hotkeys, but no big deal. oh, oh... is there any way to assign hotkeys to an Xbox360 controller without causing conflict with the game controls? I like to save\load on the digital pad, but it's already assigned to "character movement", is there a way to clear this assignment? edit: it seems to be hard coded; even clearing the assignment manually it still controls the character and save\load the run on the same button... any suggestions?
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Dooty wrote:
Mr. Kelly R. Flewin wrote:
Going to stick around and adapt and show how much ass you can kick?
I just hope we don't have our asses kicked :) The only difference I'm experiencing so far is the hotkeys, but no big deal. oh, oh... is there any way to assign hotkeys to an Xbox360 controller without causing conflict with the game controls? I like to save\load on the digital pad, but it's already assigned to "character movement", is there a way to clear this assignment? edit: it seems to be hard coded; even clearing the assignment manually it still controls the character and save\load the run on the same button... any suggestions?
Is this a question about using bizhawk? If so, this is not the place to be discussing it
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"Super Demo World - 120 exit by dnnzao. " Just saying, there's other people collaborating on that with him. ^^; aka Dawn and I
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Nach wrote:
Wiki: Nach/Continuances
"Super Demo World - 120 exit by dnnzao. " Just saying, there's other people collaborating on that with him. ^^; aka Dawn and I
Not that it really matters. When we see the run submitted, and more authors are on it than initially thought, the continuance is still valid.
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