There's not much improvements compared to our precedent.
Anyway here's those changes:
  • Pipe in 1-1 looks better while collecting the same amount of coins.
  • Done stage 4-2 1 timeunit faster which is 356.
  • Do not collect coins over holes like Bisqwit had suggested in level 8-1.
  • Jump backwards towards the hovering pipe in 8-4.
  • Stopped the movie a little later so people can press left and Mario still touch the axe.
We sincerely thank Mana for showing us some strategies. It helps us in this version. Also, thanks to Michael Fried, his video inspires me to collect some more points where Mana failed to achieve.

Bisqwit: AVI ready.

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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #437: Phil & Genisto's NES Super Mario Bros. "warps" in 04:59.92
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Post subject: Re: #437: Phil, Genisto's NES Super Mario Bros in 05:00
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Phil wrote:
</b> Stopped the movie a little later so people can press left and Mario still touch the axe.
but people can still PAUSE which makes me wonder: stop as early as possible, or stop where people can't pause the game. the way you did it's neither one or neither the other...
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So was this any faster? Or just equal but "smoother-looking"?
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FODA wrote:
Phil wrote:
</b> Stopped the movie a little later so people can press left and Mario still touch the axe.
but people can still PAUSE which makes me wonder: stop as early as possible, or stop where people can't pause the game. the way you did it's neither one or neither the other...
We can pause in Mana's movie as well as Michael Fried's one.
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So was this any faster? Or just equal but "smoother-looking"?
Actually, it's supposed to be 21 frames faster because of stage 4-2 improvement.
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Woot. :) How many frames are there left that need to be shaved off until you get below 5 minutes?
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I would imagine there are many games that can be paused to stop the movie. If I'm not mistaken, you can pause in Metroid once the movie is stopped. Oh, and yes.
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Question: is there any particular reason people are doing runs on the JU version of the rom? Is there something about it that allows for slightly faster runs?
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JU = Japan/USA = NTSC E = Europa = PAL I guess they are using the rom that they have played? ....
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It's the PAL version that allows for slightly (a lot actually) faster runs. We're using the NTSC version here because of traditional reasons (Famtasia doesn't support PAL, many people are from USA and Japan, and so on).
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While we're on the topic of ROM versions, what do things like "(PRG0)" and "[!]" (from the ROM file name for this movie) mean?
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Shamelessly ripped from goodnes readme.
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:   [o] Overdump         [!] Verified Good Dump :\
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: [ [BF] Bung Fix   ]  [ (NP) Nintendo Power  ] :\
: `-----------------'  `----------------------' :\
:                      .--------Atari---------. :\
: .-----Genesis-----.  [ (PAL) Euro Version   ] :\
: [ (1) Japan       ]  `----------------------' :\
: [ (4) USA         ]  .---------GBA----------. :\
: [ (5) NTSC Only   ]  [ [hI??] Intro hacks   ] :\
: [ (8) PAL Only    ]  `----------------------' :\
: [ (B) non USA     ]  .--------Coleco--------. :\
: [ [c] Checksum    ]  [ (Adam) ADAM Version  ] :\
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: .--NeoGeo Pocket--.  [ (PC10) PlayChoice 10 ] :\
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: [f] A fixed game has been altered in some way :\
:     so that it will run better on a copier    :\
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: [h] Something in this ROM is not quite as it  :\
:     should be. Often a hacked ROM simply has  :\
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:      They were transmitted along with a TV    :\
:      show which was connected to the game in  :\
:      some way. These games were only playable :\
:      during the show, and thus stop after an  :\
:      hour, and many were timed so that only   :\
:      certain time periods were playable.      :\
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: (ST) The Sufami Turbo device allowed two      :\
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:      the SNES. Certain carts combined into    :\
:      new games much like the Sonic & Knuckles :\
:      lock-on technology by Sega.              :\
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: (NP) Nintendo Power has been known to release :\
:      games only available to its subscribers. :\
:      Most of these ROMs are Japanese, as this :\
:      practice occured mainly in Japan.        :\
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:  (1) Carts with this code will run on both    :\
:      Japanese and Korean machines.            :\
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:  (4) While this code is technically the same  :\
:      as a (U) code, it is a newer header      :\
:      format and represents that the cart will :\
:      run on USA and Brazil NTSC machines.     :\
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:  (B) This country code indicates that the     :\
:      cart will run on any non US machine.     :\
:             -------------------               :\
:  [c] This code represents a cart with known   :\
:      faulty checksum routines.                :\
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: [BF] Bung released a programmable cartridge   :\
:      compatable with the GameBoy which could  :\
:      hold any data you wished to play.        :\
:      However, many games do not function on   :\
:      Bung v1.0 carts and have to be 'fixed.'  :\
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Sadly, even the "verified good dump"s have sometimes "DiskDude!" in their headers.
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I still can't make out what PRG0 stands for either. Atleast not from reading above.
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Revisions of the ROM it seems.
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Any larger change in the later/earlier revisions?
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Considering the movie plays fine on the (PRG1) rom that I have, I don't see any major changes.
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Thanks!
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Bisqwit wrote:
Sadly, even the "verified good dump"s have sometimes "DiskDude!" in their headers.
Sorry for asking another stupid question, but what does that (having "DiskDude!" in the headers) mean? ^^
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I don't know why, but some roms have the bytes for 'DiskDude!' near the start, though the emu is expecting 00s. At least for Famtasia, this prevents the game from playing (Though it is easily fixable. Try searching for DiskDude! on the forums)
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Phil, why didn't you do the backwards jump at the beginning of 8-2? Edit: You took awhile to press A when you came out of the pipe as you entered the water area in 8-4. Edit 2: You could have touched the axe sooner. You shouldn't be beating the game slower just so you can stop pressing buttons sooner.
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I know someone will ask this :P. Since the boost doesn't help me to reach 344, I don't see any reason to use it. More than that, I must slow down Mario by some frames to reach 342. You took awhile seems big words, that's not that much. In fact, to swim backwards, I must do that. So Mario swim as fast as normal swimming. Between you and me, it looks better that way. In the end, it's not slower. You could have touched the axe sooner. You shouldn't be beating the game slower just so you can stop pressing buttons sooner. That's not that much slower maybe 1-2 frames max.
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OK, who voted no on this? :)
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Dan_ wrote:
Considering the movie plays fine on the (PRG1) rom that I have, I don't see any major changes.
Some SMB runs have desynced in 8-4 when played using PRG1.
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schneelocke wrote:
OK, who voted no on this? :)
That guy should explain his reasons. Michael, hope it's not you .