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I did some thinking ahead, here are some theoretical applications of deku stick+slingshot text skipping:
-Skip the door closing behind you in Gohma's cave
*One of the rare doors like this we'll encounter, where it shuts behind you when you walk a certain distance.
-Skip Nabooru's speech?
*She's kind of blocking the tunnel, but it might be possible to squeeze around her, like the good little kid Link is.
-Skip any "watch out for shadows of monsters hanging from the ceiling!"
*unsure if this is based on Link loading into a room or if he takes one step forward. I remember in FT that it's based on where he treads that the message pops up.
-Skip Ruto in Jabu Jabu!?
*Is this possible? would it save time? (go straight to boomerang room, use crates for opening doors, use slingshot for switches on ceiling. In the room where the bomb hover takes place, there are crates nearby to throw and use for the floor switch, then use 2 bombchu method to blast there, instead of the 6 bomb hover method.
-Ganon's Tower skippage
*Everywhere there's triggers based on Link reaching an area (like mini-boos enemy spawns), but most of these need to be fulfilled to open the door...
So uhh... What is Reverse Bottle Adventure? As in, how exactly (key word here is EXACTLY) do you do it?
Acryte wrote:
Instructions for Reverse BA: [Key: C=Child A=Adult]
A.5 -> B[Bug], C-Right[Poacher's Saw]. Fish is fine too but you won't learn Nocturne so you have to grab a bug sometime before trading poacher's saw or else you lose Prelude of light by using empty bottle to learn it.
A.8 -> B[Bug], C-Right[Broken Goron's Sword]. If the Bug is used instead of a Fish then you also get the Water Medallion too (Not like it matters).
A.11 -> B[Bug],C-Right[Bottled Letter]. If the Bug is used instead of a Fish then you get 29 arrows updated instead of 25 w/ the Fish (not like it matters since you only get 1 shot)
Description: Bottle Adventure is about using the items on C-right to get things onto the B button by traveling forwards and backwards in time. Reverse Bottle Adventure is about using the Bottle on B w/ different things you can catch to update things into your inventory that are determined by both the item on C-right (which determines the type) and the item on B (which determined the quantity of the adjusted amount, or the specific things that are altered in the menu).
Steps: Put the required item on C-right, then Catch the specified object in the Bottle that is on B (or empty it and catch it), in order to update your inventory appropriately.
NOTES:
HAHAHA I used it to unequip and delete my Kokiri Tunic.... I want to see a like like eat me after I equip another tunic and see what happens...
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Yeah, that only tells me what items. I need to know exactly what to do. Like if you said "Bombchu Hover up Stone Tower to skip Mirror Shield" to someone who doesn't know how to Bombchu Hover, they would have the same response. I'm not exactly the most OoT-literate person here, or anywhere.
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Jabu Jabu is Revamped!
I just conversed with FIERCELINKMASTER, and we walked through step by step what would happen if we could skip talking to Ruto using the owl skip technique.
Bottom line: MINUTES saved if the deku stick/slingshot trick works on Ruto. By all accounts, talking to her is triggered by when you walk into the room and reach a certain distance away from her, not automatically walking through the door.
The any% route also perfectly aligns with successfully pulling this off, so there is no need to make any major changes, just one minor detour which is on the path/\.
In order to beat Jabu Jabu, you must get the boomerang, and there are no wooden crates to bring there, so Ruto normally is a must in order to activate the switch.
But remember a little bottle trick with a fishie? Winky Winky! We'll use a fish we catch in Zora's Domain and do the fish switch glitch in order to get that boomerang.
Ok, so here is the route:
5. Kakariko Bottle
6. Superslide to Gerudo Valley (Odd Mushroom)
7. Gerudo Valley River -> Hylia (Get Caught)
8. Gold Scale + Letter in Bottle
9. Hylia -> Zora's Domain
*Catch a Fish in your Kakariko Bottle* in the domain
10. Jabu Jabu (Jumpslash to Enter)
Inside Jabu Jabu:
-Backwalk past the bubbles, slingshot the switch on the ceiling, enter next room
-backwalk, backflip, enter next room
-use the deku stick/slingshot, and backwalk your way past Ruto, to the tunnel that leads to the boomerang. do not fall down any holes.
-Go near the door where the boomerang is, do the fish switch trick to activate the switch, and enter the door.
-kill the 4 mantas, collect the boomerang
-exit boomerang room, exit tunnel, go back to the main room where Ruto is, use Deku Stick/Slingshot to avoid her dialogue if she is still there
-Go through next room with holes and jellyfish
-Use bombchus/bombs to make it across the large gap (I personally prefer Guano's method in the published run, it's only 2 bombchus used instead of many bombs and saves a lot of time.)
*edit: this room also requires Ruto to open the door to the next room we go to, but there are wooden crates that we can use instead.
-Go in the room, use boomerang to hit the switch on the ceiling
-Fight Barinade
-Talk to Ruto for the first time
EDIT: will not work, Damn.
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Uch no, our problem does not rest there.
Dammit!
It appears AKA was a few steps ahead of us and testing the switches in Jabu Jabu. In his video description he says it doesn't work on the pressure sensitive switch outside the boomerang room, which is exactly what I wanted to do. Crap! any confirmation on whether this is true or not?
The last switch after we'd do the bomb hovers/chu boosting is not a problem, there are wooden crates in that room, and we can use those to let us in, in place of Ruto (just throw them across the gap, then bomb our way over in pursuit.) But unless a Rutoless way is found to get into the boomerang room, we're pwned.
umm..
Hi to everybody. Finally I can register here and I'm clad of it.
If hope you guys accept me here because I love oot so much but I don't know anything about tas running but i hope it doesn't matter.
Oh and by the way i know way how to get bombchus from well early without bombs and going to spirit temple because of those. but how much does it save time and I like to see current route for run. Thanks
Yep it won't work on that switch, even as kid w/ iron boots you can't press it... you need to be holding an item I'm pretty sure since it isn't based on weight alone.
Hey kazooie, good to see you. And early well saves time. Then instead of going there we can alter the route to go to kakariko. No skulltulas right? It'll be interesting to see what you've found, me and fluffy have searched long and hard and couldn't do it. so congrats.
Basically it means we do kakariko bottle, and grab the bombchus there. Then we do Dodongo's. Then hylia and grab gold scale and bug. and then we can go to do jaabu and probably grab odd mushroom last and then head to ToT. Idk we'll have to asess the route to make up for it but it definitely saves time.
Yep it won't work on that switch, even as kid w/ iron boots you can't press it... you need to be holding an item I'm pretty sure since it isn't based on weight alone.
Hey kazooie, good to see you. And early well saves time. Then instead of going there we can alter the route to go to kakariko. No skulltulas right? It'll be interesting to see what you've found, me and fluffy have searched long and hard and couldn't do it. so congrats.
Basically it means we do kakariko bottle, and grab the bombchus there. Then we do Dodongo's. Then hylia and grab gold scale and bug. and then we can go to do jaabu and probably grab odd mushroom last and then head to ToT. Idk we'll have to asess the route to make up for it but it definitely saves time.
It took me a hour to get it but last time when i tried it was long time ago, anyway I will make video of it today when I get home.
Acryte - I have some things to make clear and I have sended PM to you on sda. so go see it and you must answer to me.
EDIT: Here is video of that trick and only problem is that you need lullaby for lowering water level.
I hope you guys like it :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQE-MQo3pbY
[URL=http://files.filefront.com//;7418883;/] Forward supersliding FTW!!![/url], I hope it proves that skipping this cutscene is impossible.
EDIT: Whoa, awesome trick.
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KazooieBomchu wrote:
Acryte wrote:
Yep it won't work on that switch, even as kid w/ iron boots you can't press it... you need to be holding an item I'm pretty sure since it isn't based on weight alone.
Hey kazooie, good to see you. And early well saves time. Then instead of going there we can alter the route to go to kakariko. No skulltulas right? It'll be interesting to see what you've found, me and fluffy have searched long and hard and couldn't do it. so congrats.
Basically it means we do kakariko bottle, and grab the bombchus there. Then we do Dodongo's. Then hylia and grab gold scale and bug. and then we can go to do jaabu and probably grab odd mushroom last and then head to ToT. Idk we'll have to asess the route to make up for it but it definitely saves time.
It took me a hour to get it but last time when i tried it was long time ago, anyway I will make video of it today when I get home.
Acryte - I have some things to make clear and I have sended PM to you on sda. so go see it and you must answer to me.
EDIT: Here is video of that trick and only problem is that you need lullaby for lowering water level.
I hope you guys like it :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQE-MQo3pbY
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Change my sig. again, and I will murder your pet fish.
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excellent find Kazooie. High Five! (Borat)
and AKA, superslides trigger cutscenes (as shown in Guano's WIP where he slides across Hyrule, then enters is shown the scene with Zelda escaping), but deku stick+slingshot cancels out cutscenes that are activated by where Link is standing.
Possibly today I'm going to skip ahead to Gohma's Cave and see what happens if I use the text skip technique...
(except now I'm there and I can't figure out the buttons to press to make it work.)
Comicalflop, a slingshot+cancel does not cancel out that scene, it isn't much difference from preparing a ground jump or a superslide, all these only avoid ground activated scenes and text.
oh wow. that's what I did w/ comical flop but I didn't think the water could take you up top. Very nice.
AKA - what are we trying to skip that for, just skipping the cutscenen because it's faster? It's very short and if it takes any preparation or slowing down (slingshot + deku) etc. it's not going to save any time.
If you need lullaby for well bombchus won't that be slower then?
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
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just skippingthe cutscene because it's faster, yes. It would save a good amount of time, 5 seconds or so because you can deku stick+slingshot when backwalking.
So we can get the bombchus at well early, but we need the lullabye, so we need to go see zelda which is slow as hell. So now, which is faster? we need to time it out the same way we calculated 2a to be faster than 2b in getting Epona...
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Oh and by the way i know way how to get bombchus from well early without bombs and going to spirit temple because of those.
Darn, we need Lullaby for that? =/
Is there even the slightest chance that we could pull it off without?
Spirit Temple:
~10'15"
Hyrule Castle + Well:
8'36" (from being dropped outside the castle gates by the owl to gaining control outside the castle gates again after Impa leaves)
+ time from Kokiri Forest to castle gates
+ time from castle gates to well
+ time to retrieve bombchus from well
+ time to wait for egg to hatch
+ time saved by seamwalk and explosive hover over moat
- time to warp to the Great Fairy later
I don't think it's faster. =(
KazooieBomchu wrote:
but how much does it save time and I like to see current route for run. Thanks
That room on well where we clip trhought of that wall doesn't have water when water is raised. If we can get to that room then we can get bombchus from well early.
Anyway we still get bombchus from spirit and then get lullabye as a adult with BA and ge magic meter from top of the death mountain, right?
I need to see can we get to that room some other way, hmm...
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Going to the well early is used to get bombchus instead of going to spirit temple. So if you find a way to get into that other room and successfully get the bombchus from the chest, without needing the lullabye... you'd save about 10 minutes.
Those 10 minutes are counting on you! Don't let us down!
There is 1 more way it may be possible....
I have been trying it for hours but to no avail. It basically entails using jumpslashes and straddling the edge between the log and the part that covers the hole where you can climb down to the bombchus... IDK, I guess I'm hoping to glitch into a grab on the vines.
We must find another way....
There is 1 more way it may be possible....
I have been trying it for hours but to no avail. It basically entails using jumpslashes and straddling the edge between the log and the part that covers the hole where you can climb down to the bombchus... IDK, I guess I'm hoping to glitch into a grab on the vines.
We must find another way....
Yes maam. for hours on end. And w/ the bubble. And w/ pushing the floormaster to different places and w/ pushing the bubble (which teleports onto it's path again by the way) and w/ that bridge in the lower section. Also using cheats to have iron boots on link, I realized you can't enter the crawlspace even if you are standing at the bottom of the water. Onlw w/ lowered water can you enter it... so heh... this is gonna suck.
I'd test it out but I'm gonna start testing to find out how I did the thing where my 0 bombs disabled my magic use that happened like 5 months ago.
