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No. By an extremely rough calculation, the N64 has 14 buttons, so on every frame there are 2^14 = 16,384 possible button press combinations. Super Mario 64 runs at 30 frames per second iirc, so in one second there are 16384^30 possible movie files, which is a number over 100 digits long. Even if we got a supercomputer that could process a quintillion movie files per second, it would still take several googol years to try them all. And that's just 1 second. Brute forcing just isn't possible.
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1 frame = 1/30 second. We are 68 frames shy of sub 5 minutes. If only we can get to Bowser in the Fire Sea earlier...
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Wasn't the actual time slower, because people always use the less accurate Mupen? Please correct me if that's wrong.
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Zowayix wrote:
No. By an extremely rough calculation, the N64 has 14 buttons, so on every frame there are 2^14 = 16,384 possible button press combinations. Super Mario 64 runs at 30 frames per second iirc, so in one second there are 16384^30 possible movie files, which is a number over 100 digits long. Even if we got a supercomputer that could process a quadrillion movie files per second, it would still take several googol years to try them all. And that's just 1 second. Brute forcing just isn't possible.
Super Mario 64 uses 9 buttons. The problem is the 65536 positions of the analog stick. (Minus deadzone and possible lower resolution used)
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andypanther wrote:
Wasn't the actual time slower, because people always use the less accurate Mupen? Please correct me if that's wrong.
You’re correct.
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Would it be possible to 'bruteforce' a 5 minute run?
You don't need to bruteforce the whole, you can split it into events, basically every 10 frames or so combined with games logic. Like a human would do, but with more efficiency. Such a bot is of course hard to code and would require indepth analysis of the game first.
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Link to video 42 goombas.
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Wow, he did it! Now there's only that one A press in BitFS left and the game can be completed with 70 stars without pressing the A button at all.
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Wow. Can you use any tricks like a Goomba ladder to get past BitFS?
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Wow, he did it! Now there's only that one A press in BitFS left and the game can be completed with 70 stars without pressing the A button at all.
Actually that last video wasn't an improvement in the 70 star ABC, because you don't need BitS red coins star to complete the game, as you can't reach BitS with 69 stars.
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THC98 wrote:
CoolKirby wrote:
Wow, he did it! Now there's only that one A press in BitFS left and the game can be completed with 70 stars without pressing the A button at all.
Actually that last video wasn't an improvement in the 70 star ABC, because you don't need BitS red coins star to complete the game, as you can't reach BitS with 69 stars.
Oh yeah, that's a good point. Well, i guess that brings us a little bit closer to a 120 star minimum A press TAS (i don't think 0 would be possible unless some crazy new glitch gets discovered.)
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A whompping 21 TASers submitted for task 1! Here's task 2 for those that are looking to join something fun in their freetime: http://sm64.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=21647#p21647
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(Sorry for double post) Link to video One of the trickiest stars has been solved!!
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So, am I allowed to post on here too? ;)
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So, am I allowed to post on here too? ;)
But if you start posting all your own videos who is going to post them for you ;_;
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So, am I allowed to post on here too? ;)
Nope, you were banned for being too awesome ;)
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So, am I allowed to post on here too? ;)
Yes! Welcome! Have you had any luck with my idea in WDW?
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I looked at the level geometry, and Mario would have to be REALLY far over to have the surface of the water not out of bounds. In fact, this position is within the downtown room, and we know you can't activate the load zone from there.
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Hey, with all these (new) tricks, it would be really helpful if this page was updated. :)
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Here's a curious graph made by pan. He loves to make graphs lol
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Hey, with all these (new) tricks, it would be really helpful if this page was updated. :)
I will be happy to do that, glitch by glitch, step by step. There would be a lot of stuff to include in that page. Oh and read the PM I sent you.
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Here are two little scripts for BizHawk I wrote to practice my coding skills. They're a bit messy, but whatever. The first one displays stuff on screen: User movie #20225548630088363. The other one generates input to follow a set angle: User movie #20225968871960280. It's very primitive and shouldn't be used for serious TASing yet. You can still add jumps manually while it tries to generate input. The coding can be improved, of course. I actually wanted to have a form where the user can input the angle before it brute-forces, but the form appears after frame-advance, which is to late. Edit: There's a small glitch in it, trying to fix it. Edit2: Should be fixed, the analog inputs randomly started to over/underflow for some reason.
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Plush wrote:
(Sorry for double post) Link to video One of the trickiest stars has been solved!!
Could the trick used on the pole be used in BitFS, or is there something I'm not understanding here?
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^I believe the glitched Bob-omb clone's backwards momentum is needed to get off the pole, and there are no Bob-ombs that can be reached at the BitFS pole.
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So the only A press necessary to beat the game is in BitFS? Dang. That really makes me wanna see you guys find some crazy strat to bypass it.