Okay, I have a question. Let's say, I've copied 100 frames worth of ALAKTORN's input and used it in my movie. He says it's his private input, so he wouldn't like it to be copied, but rather, recreated. Okay. Now what do we do to recreate it? Add 1 pressing of A on frame 50? It would still contain 99 frames of ALAKTORN's input. Add 50 random presses of random buttons at random places? We'll end up with still having 50 frames of ALAKTORN's private input. If we keep eliminating his private input further, we end up getting a desync, or suboptimal input. Even though, it still would contain some frames with ALAKTORN's input. See, once you have copied something, you can't honestly recreate it anymore, since you already know what it was. And you can't eliminate the original input's trace, since it will break the speed record.

For what it's worth, in 2399M, got4n also employed a strategy[1] that I showed him[2] to pull off a certain trick. Like in this case, I have also had reason to be annoyed because the strategy I showed him was not even close to optimized, yet he chose to copy it verbatim. I don't know if it's precisely the same to the frame, but it certainly looks like the same input to what I showed him before. I chose not to say anything about it at the time because I didn't want any credit for the run. I was not actively involved in the creation of the run, and even if got4n recreated some input from mine, I couldn't care less. The TAS had several thousand views on youtube. Did got4n just lie to several thousand people because he presented input that in some small capacity resembled that of someone else as his own?[3] Did tasvideos.org unwittingly lie to several thousand people on the same grounds? Despite not being able to know any better? Did I lie to several thousand people by choosing to not disclose this fact? None of these. If someone doesn't want credit, they're not being credited. That's just how it is, and that is very much how it works outside of the world of TASes as well. After all, you can't force an artist to sign their own painting. [3]: Never mind the fact that credit in a TAS is so much more than just input. Strategies, routing and research are very important as well, but somehow they're not part of the discussion. Why don't all of the people who do that kind of stuff get co-authorship as well?

HOLD IT RIGHT THUR FEOS! XD How many facken times does he have to say it?? They don't know what they are talking about Alak. They are all pretty little liars. Like, look at this guy, he is one of the most notorious liars out there. Look at his face! Don't let me get started on this guy! He facken lies so much that his nose grows! Can you dig it?!

@Samsara below: That’s not even worth replying with a post to. Instead of debating why my argument is poor, you attach yourself to something of no value. Whatever though, I didn’t even want to post in this topic anymore.

I mean, you've ignored most of the posts in this thread because they explained precisely why your argument is poor. I don't see what was so wrong about attaching a nonsense post, especially since you've done nothing but post nonsense this entire thread. See, naturally you pay attention to the useless post because it's something you can springboard off of to make yourself look better. The reality of the situation is you have no arguments to make against anything else that I or other people have been saying. It's really, really simple psychology, dude.

Being credited is an honor more than anything. In theory, the site could operate on a license that assumes all credit for any movie that a user submits. And that'd be fine, since nobody has to submit their movies to this site anyway. As long as the site clearly states in its license that you surrender your credit to a movie, it'd be perfectly fine. Tasvideos doesn't work on such a license. Instead, co-authorship is used as a mechanism to honor people who have contributed a substantial amount of work to a run. It is their choice to accept this honor however, and if they do not wish to do so, that's perfectly fine. Especially, it is a agreement between users. Nobody can be credited against their wish. Giving credit isn't a matter of lying vs. being truthful. You may voluntarily surrender your credit to something that you worked on if you want to. You might do contract work for which you're not credited for money. By your stubborn view of what credit means, these things would be lying too, when they happen all over the place. This is how the world works, not tasvideos. If you have a problem with this, go complain to the world.

What a shame, I posted a constructive argument, and ALAKTORN decided not to post anymore without even addressing it :(

ALAKTORN, obviously you're not going to read this thread anymore, but here's a quote from #tasvideos dated May 24th: 20:59:03 <Samsara> halfway tempted to replace the file and add you as co-author without mentioning anything May 24 20:59:12 <Masterjun> ._. May 24 20:59:16 <Samsara> but i won't May 24 20:59:19 <Masterjun> thank you May 24 20:59:44 <Samsara> is it something you're going to bring up in the thread, though? May 24 21:00:38 <Masterjun> currently writing a thing May 24 21:00:52 <Masterjun> I mean it's not a big deal May 24 21:01:12 <Masterjun> I shouldn't actually write anything, but I still want to say something about it May 24 21:01:21 <Samsara> fair enough It's very clear Masterjun does not want co-authorship, as already indirectly stated in his post:

I mean I'm fine with it, but maybe you should consider asking for permission the next time you do it.

(emphasis mine) Finally, the author himself already credited Masterjun for the 1-1 strat in the submission comments. Is that seriously not enough for you?

This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [3144] SNES Super Mario All-Stars: Super Mario Bros. 2 by vince1919 in 07:24.30

Okay, I have a question. Let's say, I've copied 100 frames worth of ALAKTORN's input and used it in my movie. He says it's his private input, so he wouldn't like it to be copied, but rather, recreated. Okay. Now what do we do to recreate it? Add 1 pressing of A on frame 50? It would still contain 99 frames of ALAKTORN's input. Add 50 random presses of random buttons at random places? We'll end up with still having 50 frames of ALAKTORN's private input. If we keep eliminating his private input further, we end up getting a desync, or suboptimal input. Even though, it still would contain some frames with ALAKTORN's input. See, once you have copied something, you can't honestly recreate it anymore, since you already know what it was. And you can't eliminate the original input's trace, since it will break the speed record.

Going by the little I know of IP law, ALAKTORN would still own that sequence of inputs even if you changed all 100 of them, simply because you started with his work as a base. On the other hand, if you started from scratch and ended up with an exact copy of his inputs just because it's the best either of you can do, he'd have no claim to it. This also answers Invariel's question about pressing start on frame 8: Everyone can hit it on frame 8 as long as they do their own work to determine that it's the soonest you can do so. It seems a little odd, but my understanding is that the important part is how you got there, not the actual result you got. And no, I don't know how you're supposed to prove that someone copied your inputs if they're claiming they did it on their own. That said, I'm not saying everyone needs to start from scratch instead of building on other people's work. People are perfectly able to either allow other people to copy their work freely or be added as co-authors, and you can (or so I assume) copy a cool trick without copy/pasting the exact input that was used to accomplish it. Take this with a grain of salt though - I am neither a lawyer or a TASer. I just like watching these videos.