This topic is for the purpose of discussing #5495: jaysmad's GB Spider-Man and the X-Men in Arcade's Revenge "Low %" in 00:34.02

Well, that turned out short and confusing. I liked the SNES version of this that you and Brandon ran, but this GB version looks like a real POS. One concern though: the way you describe these glitches makes them sound like built-in debugging tools for the programmers, sort of like the debug menu in Earthbound or the GT code in Super Metroid. If that is the case, then they may be classified as cheats and be disqualified. (But that's not completely clear-cut either, as the two examples I mentioned demonstrate.)

Well, that turned out short and confusing. I liked the SNES version of this that you and Brandon ran, but this GB version looks like a real POS. One concern though: the way you describe these glitches makes them sound like built-in debugging tools for the programmers, sort of like the debug menu in Earthbound or the GT code in Super Metroid. If that is the case, then they may be classified as cheats and be disqualified. (But that's not completely clear-cut either, as the two examples I mentioned demonstrate.)

. I agree on the fact that the run is not as satisfying to watch as the snes version. It is very short so obviously, it can leave you wanting more. The game is easily the worst between it and the other console versions. The best thing about it, imo, has to be the fact that it is so broken. That being said, i plan on doing an "all lvl" run so you should get more bang for your buck, next time around! As for the lvl skipping, how to know, for sure, if this is a debug tool? I stumbled upon it, while playing the game. I would've thought that a tool like this would've been harder to come accross. Dang, that would suck!

what's the difference between this and the glitched any%?isnt this faster? also that level skip seemed kinda debuggy,are you sure you`re not just using a cheat code?

what's the difference between this and the glitched any%?isnt this faster?

The low% is fastest, yes. The glitched run does not skip any levels.

also that level skip seemed kinda debuggy,are you sure you`re not just using a cheat code?

I can assure you, no cheats were active.

That being said, i plan on doing an "all lvl" run so you should get more bang for your buck, next time around!

I agree mklip2001 when you say this run are very short and confused, I vote meh, for those reasons and says you make a good work, I wait a new run with all lvl for more entertainment.

Haha, thanks for the shoutout! <3 I vote yes on this one because this is exactly what this game deserves. I would actually be really curious to see what the rest of this game looks like, but I was definitely amused by this. Also...you mention the Genesis version has softlock issues. I've run into 6-7 different softlocks on the SNES version, but haven't played the Genesis version. Are they even more random and unavoidable? The wall clip glitch Dark Fulgore found looks super interesting and would probably be amazing in a TAS, so I'm sad to hear that it is having issues.

Hey Pj! Glad you liked! Not sure if you will get the same soflocks in the Gen version, like the one at the Apocalypse fight. I really have no clue. The softlock that i was talking about is at the end of spiderman stage 3. Link to video It actually locks you out of the level walls. The wall clip will pop you out at the opposite end of where you do the trick. So basically this puts you outside the last wall at the Carnage Rhino fight. I tried to reclip back in like i did at the first boss fight but without success, so far.

So, I have been doing some research on the "glitch" used here. What the run does is set RAM value 0x121C from 0 to 10. When that value is nonzero, if Start is pressed then instead of pausing the game the player will superjump upwards (even in the air), if A+Select are pressed the game ignores collision and locks in the player's vertical movement (allowing some slow hovering), and if B+Select are pressed, the game will switch to the next stage. 0x121C is set to 10 when 0x121D is set to 10. 0x121D increments by 1 under a specific set of circumstances, which I have not entirely investigated, but they include that gameplay is active (0x1164 = 1), that the player is on the ground (0x121F and 0x1222 are non-zero), some other requirements I'm not entirely sure of (this check is not run if the game is paused, for instance), B and Select are held and A is pressed (HRAM 0x0B bits 1 and 2 are set, and HRAM 0x0C bit 0 is set). So basically, be in game, hold B and Select, and press A 10 times while on the ground (jump 10 times). The nature of these requirements (holding some buttons down and pressing another a certain amount of times), and the effects that result from it, very strongly convince me that this is a debug code left in the game, and not a glitch. Aside from that, knowing reliably how to do the actions needed, this movie can be improved by 270 frames: User movie #38986309710552176 (goes up to the start of the last stage).

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sort of like the debug menu in Earthbound or the GT code in Super Metroid. If that is the case, then they may be classified as cheats and be disqualified. (But that's not completely clear-cut either, as the two examples I mentioned demonstrate.)

To elaborate on this: debug menus are disqualified (per this movie rule) if they are immediately accessible. EarthBound triggers the debug menu through a series of glitches, so it is allowed. The Super Metroid ACE run that used the GT code was a bit more of a special case, but it was given an exception because it did not reduce or trivialize the game difficulty in any way, which is normally the reason debug codes/cheats/passwords are banned. The GT code otherwise is not allowed.

So would a TAS with the cheat active to get the insane physic but showing off the whole game be refused? In any case, thanks for looking into this.

So would a TAS with the cheat active to get the insane physic but showing off the whole game be refused?

Yes, that's still making use of the debug mode, so it would be rejected.