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Posted: 6/28/2017 8:40 PM

Post subject: End Point of TASes

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wesen

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Hey, I just wondered at which moment a TAS should end. Which of these two points should you reach as fast as possible: * Credits * Point at which no further input is required to get to the credits

Posted: 6/28/2017 8:46 PM

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Stovent

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The time stops at the last input, so at the point at which no further input is required to get to the credits

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Posted: 6/28/2017 8:47 PM
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Noxxa

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Both are acceptable options. Some prefer one way, others prefer the other way. It's a stylistic choice. For judging purposes, if one movie does one way and another movie does the other, the difference is not counted as an improvement, unless there's a community/voting consensus that definitely prefers one of the two methods.

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Posted: 6/28/2017 8:49 PM

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Masterjun

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Stovent wrote:

The time stops at the last input, so at the point at which no further input is required to get to the credits

Wrong. It's a stylistic choice. Read the reply by Mothrayas for more information.

Warning: Might glitch to credits I will finish this ACE soon as possible (or will I?)

Posted: 6/28/2017 8:54 PM

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Stovent

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So I miss-understood his question. I'm considering that to reach the credits in the fastest way, you need to go to a point at which no further input is required to get to the credits as fast as possible

[17:37:00]<TheCoreyBurton> It's N64 - it's ALWAYS bad news.

Posted: 6/28/2017 8:55 PM

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Masterjun

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Stovent wrote:

So I miss-understood his question. I'm considering that to reach the credits in the fastest way, you need to go to a point at which no further input is required to get to the credits as fast as possible

Yeah and that's wrong. It's a stylistic choice. Read the reply by Mothrayas for more information.

Warning: Might glitch to credits I will finish this ACE soon as possible (or will I?)

Posted: 6/28/2017 8:57 PM

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Stovent

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Masterjun wrote:

Yeah and that's wrong. It's a stylistic choice. Read the reply by Mothrayas for more information.

I red it and as I understand it, it's just a route choice.

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Posted: 6/28/2017 9:00 PM

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Masterjun

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Btw, Stovent, the two things you said are completely different from another: the point at which no further input is required to get to the credits means, ending input as soon as the game would play itself out (like getting hit but still reaching the goal, etc), a point at which no further input is required to get to the credits as fast as possible means, continuing input as long as necessary to avoid delaying credits in any way. Since you already read the reply by Mothrayas, you should know that both are possible and that it's a sylistic choice.

Warning: Might glitch to credits I will finish this ACE soon as possible (or will I?)

Posted: 6/28/2017 9:03 PM

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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:02 PM

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Stovent wrote:

So I miss-understood his question. I'm considering that to reach the credits in the fastest way, you need to go to a point at which no further input is required to get to the credits as fast as possible

Perhaps more precisely (and as has been suggested many times in the past): The input should be ended at the point where no further input can make the ending be reached faster.

Posted: 9/1/2017 8:17 PM

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What about a game that has a mini-level that plays until after the credits? Should i leave it at the last input before the credits or do i have to complete that level?

Posted: 9/2/2017 2:08 AM

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Ultimatesaber27 wrote:

What about a game that has a mini-level that plays until after the credits? Should i leave it at the last input before the credits or do i have to complete that level?

Well, the Kirby & the Amazing Mirror run along with the Smash Bros Melee run both do it, so you can complete it I guess? What game do you have in mind?

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