This topic is for the purpose of discussing #6551: Bluely's SNES Tetris Attack "Puzzle mode" in 16:24.36

TASVideos says unknown rerecords but it's clearly 0 rerecords as seen on userfile. http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/59499316802674085

That's because the bug that TASVideos says unknown rerecords but it only regonizes as 0 rerecords on userfile.

No, it is not a bug. It’s there in the case that the rerecord cound gets lost and there’s nothing to show for it. and since no one actually tries to make a tas that aims to use 0 rerecords, that’s what shows up

That's because the bug that TASVideos says unknown rerecords but it only regonizes as 0 rerecords on userfile.

No, it is not a bug. It’s there in the case that the rerecord cound gets lost and there’s nothing to show for it. and since no one actually tries to make a tas that aims to use 0 rerecords, that’s what shows up

You can open bk2 file as zip archive, open Header.txt and edit rerecordCount line. 99999999 rerecords or whatever are confirmed =) So, it's not a secret now, but it has little point.

I am fully aware how it works.

Why is having 0 (or "fewest") rerecords a badge of honor now? Should I manually start changing all my TAS rerecord count to 1 before submitting? Is this a trend I should be expecting?

This is one of the SNES games I loved most, so I'm certainly interested on this run. However, I do wonder a couple of things: - Why just play the regular puzzle mode and not also the Hard mode? - Why the SNES version and not the GB? I suppose you could say you already mentioned why, but the second question comes because in the later version (GB), there is a puzzle level that can be solved in less moves than intended (can't remember if it was in the normal or hard mode though, only that it was towards the end).

Why just play the regular puzzle mode and not also the Hard mode?

Because Hard mode is "Extra" Puzzle set, "Extra" Puzzle set requires a password and password breaks movie rules.

Why the SNES version and not the GB?

Well i forgot there's GB Verison of this game so... If i can't run Sonic R or clip the wall in under than 2 seconds after touching the corner in Sonic R Any% TAS, i would do "Puzzle" GB Version TAS and submit it on april fools day!

Why just play the regular puzzle mode and not also the Hard mode?

Because Hard mode is "Extra" Puzzle set, "Extra" Puzzle set requires a password and password breaks movie rules.

Wrong, passwords are allowed if they unlock certain content, like harder modes. I know because I have a movie that does just that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NR_jpYT9As

I see Tetris in the name, and I expect crazy things. This just delivered lots of pauses and slow level transitions. No vote on entertainment for me.

If people beat this TAS, what would happen? Then TheWinslinator will still hold the record and when the framewar ends, the people will end up with a lot of unnecessary rerecords for a puzzle that's mostly caused without writing a route.

What record does TheWinslinator hold? and why doesn't this TAS beat it?? Why got offended when people actually use tools to make a tool-assisted speedrun???

Why is having 0 (or "fewest") rerecords a badge of honor now? Should I manually start changing all my TAS rerecord count to 1 before submitting? Is this a trend I should be expecting?

The fun fact is this isn't technically 0 rerecords. :^) The author just wants to make it sound like they actually accomplished something that other TASes have. Edited or not. This will end up not on the list as it doesn't contain a single rerecord count like movies before it.

i did actually 0 rerecords, every failed attempts i reverted-saved as different file.

(Quote's from Discord. Emphasis mine.)

every failed attempts i reverted-saved as different file.

I used this expression because no one would believe me i was able to make a TAS without any rerecords, so to make everyone believe me i used this expression to delete the failed attempt which rerecorded and start over again from beginning without rerecords.

every failed attempts i reverted-saved as different file.

I used this expression because no one would believe me i was able to make a TAS without any rerecords, so to make everyone believe me i used this expression to delete the failed attempt which rerecorded and start over again from beginning without rerecords.

Even if the Puzzle mode of Tetris Attack is very simple, it still requires to make some precise inputs in order to optimize the outcome, and your movie even featured some frame-perfect tricks, which doesn't have anything to do with casual play, so it doesn't really matter how many years you did spend playing this game until now, you still needed to, at the very least, performing extensive trial and error with frame advance, which basically and practically means to go back and improve your previous attempts. That's because TASing itself consists in improving the previous attempts. If a movie really required 1 attempt in order to be made, that would mean that the game chosen was too much simple for a meaningful TAS, which is not the case for this game, as I confirmed firsthand while judging this submission. Now, you may wonder how did some people make TASes with so few rerecords. The answer is very simple: those rerecord counts are wrong. For a reason or another, something have gone wrong with their files, so that the resulting rerecords value ended up being unfaithful. For example, take a look the submission that seems to feature the lowest rerecord count ever: #5470: Winslinator's INTV Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Cloudy Mountain "warp glitch" in 00:11.62. From its submission text, we can read this:

Speaking of which, the number of re-records should be 4117, as the movie I originally made for Bizhawk 1.12.0 had that many re-records (it had to be redone as it refused to play in v1.12.1).

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As I already said, TASing itself consists in making as many attempts as possible, trying every possibility, fixing mistakes, and improving your previous strategies. The rerecord count exists in order to keep track of how many efforts were put into the making of each movie, ideally speaking. However, rerecord count is in no way an accurate measure of how optimized a movie actually is, not to mention that the rerecords value could be faked altogether. And if you think about it, the rerecord count is just a number, which doesn't tell much about a movie. Instead, if you want to know if a movie is good, you should try to improve it yourself, that's the only way to know for sure how much good it is. So, reassuming:

• Rerecords count should be high.
• Rerecords count can't be trusted.
• Rerecords count is not very important.

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By the way, it seems to me that you're doing this 0-rerecords-thing just because you want to place yourself at the top of this page: FewestRerecords You see, the fact is that this page it's just a system page that was created for statistic reasons, in order to keep track of some very minor aspects of the site data. It's not a podium pedestal, it's not an awards room, it's not a hall of fame. There is no merit or honor into getting a movie into that list. With that said, if you still hope to place your future TASes into a honorable place, you should instead try to do something like winning a award, or making a Stars movie, or winning a contest, or improving a very old movie or a very optimized movie. And if you think that you can't do any of that, don't worry: submitting acceptable TASes is already enough for being considered a worthy community member. Just stop it with wanting to make a low rerecord movie. Please.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but might it be faster to use a glitch to beat 1-10? During countdown: move the cursor to the second row from the bottom, middle two columns. After countdown: swap the panels on two consecutive frames using A and then B (or vice versa) and press X to undo the last move. Due to a bug, the game will not notice that panels are supposed to clear. Move the cursor up twice and swap to win. Less cursor movement = fewer frames, does it not? Edit: In 5-10, try moving the cursor to the middle of the bottom row. When the countdown finishes, swap, move left, and swap as quickly as possible. The star panel will pass through the position where it should make a line of three and clear. Then you can clear the remaining panels as two 6 combos instead of one 12 combo to get rid of them faster.

I didn't know about that glitch, that's interesting. Your solution saved 6 frames in 1-10, well done! I will look into 5-10 later. Edit: ok 5-10 is 54 frames faster now... wow. Even if you didn't edit the movie file yourself, I think in this case you should be added, because you basically provided the solutions themselves. Do you agree to be added as an author for this movie?

Even if you didn't edit the movie file yourself, I think in this case you should be added, because you basically provided the solutions themselves. Do you agree to be added as an author for this movie?

If you think I deserve it. Wow, my first TAS. *blushes*

By the way, FilipeTales agreed to make a new submission that includes the Extra levels, so the current submission should be cancelled soon. If you know some tricks for other levels, please write them in a PM to me or to FilipeTales.

om, nom, nom

so the current submission should be cancelled soon.

Ok cancelled current submission!