#7141: Noxxa & KiwiCracker's A2600 Princess Rescue in 06:08.22

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This is an improvement by 12 frames over the published movie. After finding all these improvements I was quite surprised to find out, that most of the unoptimized parts, that I was able to find there, were not present in the currently published movie from this cathegory.
Here are the time saves (all of which are again minor optimizations):
StageFrames saved
1-43
3-23
3-33
Final Not Bowser fight3
Total12

Samsara: I'm an expert on rescuing princesses, I feel like I should be judging this one.
Samsara: Due to my expertise, I can confirm that this movie adequately rescues a princess. Accepting as an improvement to the published run. Because of significant entertainment dropoff, this is going to Vault.
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Encode: Link to video Copy pasting most of this from my post on the "deathless" run, since my opinion/criticism is largely the same. The movie wasn't really that entertaining in my opinion. Was neat in several places (especially with the usage of death abuse) but overall just seemed like a meh Super Mario Bros. run with a lot of deaths thrown in. While the movie seems reasonable within itself (reasonable/vaultable goal, improvement of published movie), I do wonder if this branch (along with the other published branch) should still retain the Moons rating. Let me explain, the original movie currently has an average entertaining rating of 6.2, borderline for Moons. However, the next movie had a significant drop to 4.3, which is very much Vault level ratings. All the improvements in this movie (as the author states) are just minor optimizations, and in my opinion, don't significantly impact the entertainment rating compared to the current published movie. Considering all this, should this movie inherit Moons or should it be downgraded to Vault (along with the currently published movie)?
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I don't actually disagree with the sentiment, but I would note that with two movies that are identical bar a one-frame improvement, and yet having almost two full points of entertainment rating difference between them, I don't think entertainment rating can be considered a very reliable indicator here. (Same goes for the other movie, which has similarly skewed ratings compared to its predecessor)
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Mothrayas wrote:
I don't actually disagree with the sentiment, but I would note that with two movies that are identical bar a one-frame improvement, and yet having almost two full points of entertainment rating difference between them, I don't think entertainment rating can be considered a very reliable indicator here. (Same goes for the other movie, which has similarly skewed ratings compared to its predecessor)
I suppose this is a good point. However, I would like to note that most people who voted for the original movie did not vote for the next one (and the ones who did were consistent with their rating). This is more a case of poor sample sizing that ratings get rather than the same people voting completely differently on practically the same movie.
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Indeed, that's the point I wanted to make - both movies are rated by small groups of people with very little overlap, highlighting the issue with the small sample sizes that ratings for movies like this give.
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Wow I didn't remember how bad this game felt. Sound effects and music are constantly out of tune, 20fps movement makes constant scrolling painful to watch, gameplay is really basic aside from some later levels, repeated dying is anti-climactic. If this is what technically impressive A2600 games look like, I think that console didn't age well at all. Voted No.
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Well, speaking of misplaced royalty, I guess I have to don the crown of the Queen of Feedback Asking once more and re-gauge the audience reception to these runs. Are they still Moon-worthy or should we rescue the princess only to put her in the Vault?
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A couple of decent moments aside I felt it was fairly meh. However, it's on the upper end of Atari 2600 games for me in terms of entertainment... which is to say most are rather dull. If you're comparing against the site as a whole this would be vault, if you're comparing against other Atari movies I could see an argument for moons.
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I voted Meh. The game itself is just not really nice to look at or hear. The bosses are almost the same thing. The level designs are simplistic but not a total loss. The constantly dying trick made me want to just skip ahead. I would have voted no if I did not see mario jumping through a set of blocks or do a kind of double jump off of a block stack.
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [4475] A2600 Princess Rescue by Noxxa, KiwiCracker in 06:08.22